I'm not sure what the rules are here on DOVE.net concerning the whole pandemic. If this type of discussion is taboo or even wanted in this community, let me know and I won't "go there".

On the other hand BBS GypsyRyder telnet: gypsy.8bit.ca is where anyone intereted in this topic can join the discussion. There is a ton of info links, videos and documentaries on this and other topics the MSM won't cover.

What are your two cents? I won't be offended.

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Spaul to All on Wed Nov 30 2022 12:14 pm

I'm not sure what the rules are here on DOVE.net concerning the whole pandemic. If this type of discussion is taboo or even wanted in this community, let me know and I won't "go there".

On the other hand BBS GypsyRyder telnet: gypsy.8bit.ca is where anyone intereted in this topic can join the discussion. There is a ton of info links, videos and documentaries on this and other topics the MSM won't cover.

What are your two cents? I won't be offended.

we are pretty laid back here.

just like in real life, people here picked sides with the flatten the curve and mask shit.

i'm not sure if there's anybody left here who thinks the covid vaccine did anything good.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Spaul to All on Wed Nov 30 2022 12:14 pm

I'm not sure what the rules are here on DOVE.net concerning the whole pandemic. If this type of

On the other hand BBS GypsyRyder telnet: gypsy.8bit.ca is where anyone intereted in this topic c

What are your two cents? I won't be offended.

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This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO the real appeal of secluded
places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

The aftermath of the pandemic is much worse here than the pandemic itself (including the mass
hysteria) was. Maybe it is just a Spanish thing.

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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Spaul on Wed Nov 30 2022 03:54 pm

just like in real life, people here picked sides with the flatten the curve and mask shit.

i'm not sure if there's anybody left here who thinks the covid vaccine did anything good.

I would not go as far as to say the vaccines did nothing good, but they were certainly oversold to
the public as a magic solution when it wasn't.

If anything I am pissed because people took the vaccines and stopped being careful because they had
taken the vaccines and thought themselves immortal.

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Arelor to Spaul on Wed Nov 30 2022 05:32 pm

This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

The aftermath of the pandemic is much worse here than the pandemic itself (including the mass hysteria) was. Maybe it is just a Spanish thing.

i certainly experienced some crazy times. like i was anti mask but i still wore one at work because it was a strict rule.

A boss came by and asked me who wasn't wearing masks and i said well, just look for yourself. this guy, that guy.this guy, that guy.

Then i think the boss used me as a scapegoat to get these people in trouble, and these people were pissed at me.

whatever, i'm not there to make friends. and with my job jumping i might not even be there! i need to stop that though. i made good money but it's time to settle down again.

anyways, this plandemic just shows how stupid people are. like really really really stupid. it's hard to believe some of these people have actual formed brains in their heads instead of 2 brain cells knocking together.

the fucking toiletpaper and egg thing was nuts. fucking homedepot and walmart loading up to 300% capacity all day long.

this shit was good for business. now it's slid back down and amazon is having slow times in comparison. even last christmas was slower than they thought.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Arelor to MRO on Wed Nov 30 2022 05:35 pm

Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Spaul on Wed Nov 30 2022 03:54 pm

just like in real life, people here picked sides with the flatten the curve and mask shit.

i'm not sure if there's anybody left here who thinks the covid vaccine did anything good.

I would not go as far as to say the vaccines did nothing good, but they were certainly oversold to the public as a magic solution when it wasn't.

well, what good did they do? you still got sick. you still could spread it. they have no proof that you wouldn't get 'as sick'. most people that got covid had little or no symptoms. now vaccinated people are dropping dead. it takes years to create a vaccine and put it through trials. even fauchi said this.

the thing is, the public NEEDED a magic placebo to take the edge off. the problem was people started going to super spreader events and that's how we got delta and omnicron spread out.

If anything I am pissed because people took the vaccines and stopped being careful because they had taken the vaccines and thought themselves immortal.

they went from not seeing the elderly to seeing them and killing them with covid.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:52 pm

Re: Testing the waters
By: Arelor to Spaul on Wed Nov 30 2022 05:32 pm

This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted like 3 times maybe when i was on lux's bbs. I didn't say anything bad. i think
little nick was just lying.

anyways, it's good to have some moderation if stuff gets out of control. but also more seasoned bbs people know that things level out again over time.

only people that did actual attacks on dovenet have been banned.
and sometimes not even that.

there is actually some guy who is still around who would pretend to be me and other people and post dumb shit. i think his bbs is isisunveiled. I used to just bust him back when you could see all the person's info with finger.
even he got bored and stopped.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:58 pm

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted l little nick was just lying.

I am not talking about drama as much as about the fact rules are flexible in a bad way.

That network as a rule against discussing politics and other controversial topics. I think that makes it hard to sustain worthwhile conversations, but wanting a network for discussing trivialities is a conscious choice, so if they want it that way, more power to them. The core issue is that there is a tendency to apply double standards: if you talk against the party line you are talking politics (and therefore breaking the rules), but if you talk for the party line it isn't politics (unless it is so obvious it is not concelable).


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I would not go as far as to say the vaccines did nothing good, but they were

tainly oversold to
the public as a magic solution when it wasn't.

This.

If anything I am pissed because people took the vaccines and stopped being

ar

ul because they had
taken the vaccines and thought themselves immortal.

And especially this. The current US administration, and the press, started calling COVID a pandemic of the unvaccinated but I know many (supposedly) vaccinated people who quit being careful and very shortly got sick.

I am vacinnated and have continued to be as careful as my employer will
allow and, knock on wood, I still have yet to get sick.


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homedepot and walmart loading up to 300% capacity all day long.

While the smaller stores were forced to stay closed to prevent the spread
and ultimately went out of business.

That is a part of the policy in many states that should have gotten some
people in big trouble... but mostly has not.


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This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted

ik

3 times maybe when i was on lux's bbs. I didn't say anything bad. i think little nick was just lying.

Considering it is an ftn network (mostly), that would be difficult to do or enforce. I am a sysop there and I was never told that MRO cannot post in
FSX from my BBS.


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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:58 pm

Thanks for the reply. It is refreshing to know that this is an open minded board. I know that everyone is sick to death of this topic but I just wanted to see if I might some grief about even bringing it up.

You are correct about FSXNET. That was the BBS I originally set up only to find the sysop shutting down anything releated to other opinions about the pandemic. I guess he had his reasons.

To be honest, synchronet was 10 times easier to set up. Once I sorted out the port issues I was getting, I was up and running in no time.

Looking forward to participating on the board. I have many other interests so I might be hitting people up on more techy questions. Cheers!

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Spaul to MRO on Thu Dec 01 2022 04:04 pm

Thanks for the reply. It is refreshing to know that this is an open minded board.

Dove-Net is a networked message group. The board you're using isn't the only board that has Dove-Net.

Nightfox

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Arelor to MRO on Thu Dec 01 2022 03:34 pm

Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:58 pm

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted l little nick was just lying.

I am not talking about drama as much as about the fact rules are flexible in a bad way.

That network as a rule against discussing politics and other controversial topics. I think that makes it hard to sustain worthwhile conversations, but wanting a network for discussing trivialities is a conscious choice, so if

I went on there the other day to check it out.
the moron said "I don't want to talk about anything political, but why is his happening" or something like that.

then he posted about something entirely political. I don't think he was trying to subvert the rules; i think he was literally a moron.

tendency to apply double standards: if you talk against the party line you are talking politics (and therefore breaking the rules), but if you talk for the party line it isn't politics (unless it is so obvious it is not concelable).

so do they lean towards socialist shit? the guy running it is in NZ, right?

fx net just seems like an echo chamber for beta males.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Thu Dec 01 2022 03:44 pm

I would not go as far as to say the vaccines did nothing good, but they were

tainly oversold to
the public as a magic solution when it wasn't.

This.

If anything I am pissed because people took the vaccines and stopped being

ar

ul because they had
taken the vaccines and thought themselves immortal.

And especially this. The current US administration, and the press, started calling COVID a pandemic of the unvaccinated but I know many (supposedly) vaccinated people who quit being careful and very shortly got sick.

also those vaccines had to be kept in real strict storage conditions.
there's an anti vax hospital worker in my city who took them out of the freezers on purpose to fuck it up. he got 3 years in prison. he had been doing this for a very long time.

so, there's some chance that people got injected with a vaccine that was dead. but, i saw someplace later that the vaccines aren't THAT fragile. so who knows. who basically know nothing.

I am vacinnated and have continued to be as careful as my employer will allow and, knock on wood, I still have yet to get sick.

covid is so contagious you probably got it and didn't even know it. many people have had covid with no symptoms.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Dec 01 2022 03:46 pm

homedepot and walmart loading up to 300% capacity all day long.

While the smaller stores were forced to stay closed to prevent the spread and ultimately went out of business.

That is a part of the policy in many states that should have gotten some people in big trouble... but mostly has not.

yeah hobby lobby got into huge shit even though they have everything including food items.

dollar stores got to stay open as well as liquor stores.

here's some stores that went bankrupt. real big names here https://www.aarp.org/money/credit-loans-debt/info-2020/bankrupt-retail-chain-store-list-is-growing.html

https://preview.tinyurl.com/2z2vyr7g
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Dec 01 2022 03:49 pm

This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted

ik

3 times maybe when i was on lux's bbs. I didn't say anything bad. i think little nick was just lying.

Considering it is an ftn network (mostly), that would be difficult to do or enforce. I am a sysop there and I was never told that MRO cannot post in FSX from my BBS.

yeah i know little nick was just talking shit. I don't really frequent any
msg networks. i post here but that's about it.

it's all boring and it's all the same people pretty much. well, except for the operators of the other msg nets. they stick to their own stuff that they run usually.

they should just all get together and create one msg network and get rid of the dead echos.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Spaul to MRO on Thu Dec 01 2022 04:04 pm

To be honest, synchronet was 10 times easier to set up. Once I sorted out the port issues I was getting, I was up and running in no time.

Looking forward to participating on the board. I have many other interests so I might be hitting people up on more techy questions. Cheers!

setting up qwk with synchronet is pretty easy but even easier is doing what i do and just get it via nntp.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:58 pm

This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO
the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted l

Am I hearing (Reading) this right? Post's were deleted because somone disliked an opinion? FSXNET is that bad? I remember when fidonet used to do that. How disapointing. I'll have to take those networks off my scan list.

|07 HusTler

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Re: Testing the waters
By: HusTler to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 07:34 am

This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted l

Am I hearing (Reading) this right? Post's were deleted because somone disliked an opinion? FSXNET is that bad? I remember when fidonet used to do that. How disapointing. I'll have to take those networks off my scan list.

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for preventing abusive damaging stuff to the network. like he could have a
politics area and you only discuss politics there.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Dec 02 2022 10:56 am

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for preventing abusive damaging stuff to the network. like he could have a politics area and you only discuss politics there.

There was actually some talk about creating a politics echo on FSXNet, but I don't think they created one. I remember some people posting that they thought it would be difficult to stay away from politics in the other echos, as many topics tend to get into politics at some point.

I don't read FSXNet all the time, so I may have missed the thing about some messages being deleted. But even if some messages are deleted on one system, I'd think the messages would still exist on other systems if they've already downloaded those messages?

Nightfox

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Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 09:40 am

There was actually some talk about creating a politics echo on FSXNet, but I don't think they created one. I remember some people posting that they thought it would be difficult to stay away from politics in the other echos, as many topics tend to get into politics at some point.

I don't read FSXNet all the time, so I may have missed the thing about some messages being deleted. But even if some messages are deleted on one system, I'd think the messages would still exist on other systems if they've already downloaded those messages?

i think the drama went farther than that. i dont give a shit. i remember them posting about it on zeronet a few years back.

if someone posts about politics you just move the msg to the right echo.
i think avon talked about killing msgs before they were sent out, but other shit happened too. anyways, seems like a lame net.

like i said, they should just make one network out of a bunch of nets.
eli did that with acenet or whatever it was called. if you don't like what someone is saying , twitfilter them. we're all sysops and we can do that or people that use offline readers can do it.

it's not rocket science and there's so few of us left.
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Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 09:40 am

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for

"It's his msg Network" Then FSX is not a "network" it's just a chat room run by some big headed SysOp. SysOps need to drop this so called network so it will just die out once in for all.

|07 HusTler


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I went on there the other day to check it out.
the moron said "I don't want to talk about anything political, but why is his ppening" or something like that.

then he posted about something entirely political. I don't think he was tryin
to subvert the rules; i think he was literally a moron.

That sounds like Oli. He will sometimes start some anti-US rant and then
whine when the responses are "political."

I was one of the ones that suggested that FSX did not need a Political echo because people like that would post there just to start stuff and, since
that network has rules of conduct, it would be a moderation nightmare.


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Am I hearing (Reading) this right? Post's were deleted because somone dislike
an opinion? FSXNET is that bad? I remember when fidonet used to do that. How disapointing. I'll have to take those networks off my scan list.

Sysops may have deleted messages from their individual boards, but there is
no way they got deleted from the whole network. I am on that network and
have never been asked by Paul/Avon or anyone else to remove messages from FSX areas on my BBS.


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Spaul wrote to MRO <=-

Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:58 pm

Thanks for the reply. It is refreshing to know that this is an open
minded board. I know that everyone is sick to death of this topic but I just wanted to see if I might some grief about even bringing it up.

You are correct about FSXNET. That was the BBS I originally set up only
to find the sysop shutting down anything releated to other opinions
about the pandemic. I guess he had his reasons.

To be honest, synchronet was 10 times easier to set up. Once I sorted
out the port issues I was getting, I was up and running in no time.

Looking forward to participating on the board. I have many other
interests so I might be hitting people up on more techy questions.
Cheers!

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HusTler wrote to mro <=-

Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 09:40 am

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for

"It's his msg Network" Then FSX is not a "network" it's just a chat
room run by some big headed SysOp. SysOps need to drop this so called network so it will just die out once in for all.

Once you create a network and open it up, you can't then complain about what people are wanting to discuss. fsxNET is OK, but the discussion is mostly trivial and anytime anything ventures to something less than trivial, you have to stop yourself so you don't cross the line.

The problem is, there are many, many places on the internet where you can just have trivial discussions. There are fewer where you can discuss anything you like, without having to concern yourself with Woke censorship or malevolent monitoring.


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Spaul wrote to All <=-

I'm not sure what the rules are here on DOVE.net concerning the whole pandemic. If this type of discussion is taboo or even wanted in this community, let me know and I won't "go there".

On the other hand BBS GypsyRyder telnet: gypsy.8bit.ca is where anyone intereted in this topic can join the discussion. There is a ton of info links, videos and documentaries on this and other topics the MSM won't cover.

What are your two cents? I won't be offended.

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I dont have much to say on the pandemic itself, but it showed me that people who are supposedly educated and class themselves as the bastions of rationality dropped critical thinking in order to score points. Things quickly turned into a political crapfest where one side wanted to prove the other was science-denying right-wing conspiracy theorists. In order to do that, they claimed that they represented "science", and believed that the mainstream narrative was indeed based on the best science there was. In order to take this position, people refused to look that perhaps state actors were using this as an opportunity to control the population, that perhaps Big Pharma might put money over safety and efficacy. People lost any sense of scepticism so they could portray themselves as being with the 'narrative', which was seen as science and progress.

I'm not going to comment on the vaccines specifically, but I think other social motives took root, and bad information was flowing over all facets of any debate and discussion.

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Re: FSXNet
By: HusTler to mro on Fri Dec 02 2022 04:47 pm

Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 09:40 am

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for

"It's his msg Network" Then FSX is not a "network" it's just a chat room run by some big headed SysOp. SysOps need to drop this so called network so it will just die out once in for all.

well it's something the people involved like to participate in so let them play in their sandbox.

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 06:01 pm

I was one of the ones that suggested that FSX did not need a Political echo because people like that would post there just to start stuff and, since that network has rules of conduct, it would be a moderation nightmare.

if you're a good moderator, it wouldn't be a nightmare.

banning politics and religion talk is cowardly, but it's his network
and he can do what he wants.

I'm a live and let live kind of guy, even if I don't like something it has a right to be there and not be destroyed just because I don't like what they do and how they do it.

years ago i helped this one guy(one of many) setup his ftn network, using help another long term sysop gave me. I gave him a lot of ideas and help. i ran a site with services and he essentially copied me by using some of the same scripts i did and he edited the code to make it seem like it was his.

He stopped being my friend and acted like he didn't even know me. I let god sort it out and in the end he is gone and I am still here. i did yank my services but that's because It was a lot of work sometimes and some things that i offered were dated.

so people can go play in avon's sandbox. maybe that's what they want.
he's protecting them from the bad things like politics and religion!
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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to HUSTLER on Fri Dec 02 2022 05:55 pm

Am I hearing (Reading) this right? Post's were deleted because somone dislike
an opinion? FSXNET is that bad? I remember when fidonet used to do that. How disapointing. I'll have to take those networks off my scan list.

Sysops may have deleted messages from their individual boards, but there

is
no way they got deleted from the whole network. I am on that network and have never been asked by Paul/Avon or anyone else to remove messages from FSX areas on my BBS.

well a hub can use filtering. they can put a hold on sending out posts that come in and nuke them before they go out. they can also cut people from the network.

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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to Spaul on Sat Dec 03 2022 07:26 pm

One thing I like about this particular corner of the world is the open discussion you can have. There might be grief, but its pretty easy to simply not bother following the thread anymore, so there really isn't any excuse for bitching.

well one good thing about being a sysop is learning how to filter people.
i dont filter people with different views, or anything like that.

if someone is a 'me too' type of troll i just block them. https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/bigdogmetoo.htm

also if someone tries to troll me i will push their buttons and play along just for entertainment. Like i wont read what they post to me and I make it obvious by saying so if they don't pick it up. i'll respond to one sentence.

i'm old and i dont get worked up.
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Re: Re: FSXNet
By: Boraxman to HusTler on Sat Dec 03 2022 07:30 pm

HusTler wrote to mro <=-

Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 09:40 am

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for

"It's his msg Network" Then FSX is not a "network" it's just a chat room run by some big headed SysOp. SysOps need to drop this so called network so it will just die out once in for all.

Once you create a network and open it up, you can't then complain about what people are wanting to discuss. fsxNET is OK, but the discussion is mostly trivial and anytime anything ventures to something less than trivial, you have to stop yourself so you don't cross the line.

The problem is, there are many, many places on the internet where you can just have trivial discussions. There are fewer where you can discuss anything you like, without having to concern yourself with Woke censorship or malevolent monitoring.

yeah but apparently some people like that sort of thing. it's good to keep those types in one place if you can.

i'm guilty as charged though. my irc network is my sandbox.
i tell people right away that we arent really bbs orientated anymore because people don't like discussing that subject at length. almost everyone i know in there is someone i've known like 15-20 years and if someone comes by with the bbs talk i send them to irc.synchro.net.
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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to Spaul on Sat Dec 03 2022 07:41 pm

I dont have much to say on the pandemic itself, but it showed me that people who are supposedly educated and class themselves as the bastions of rationality dropped critical thinking in order to score points. Things quickly turned into a political crapfest where one side wanted to prove the other was science-denying right-wing conspiracy theorists. In order to do that, they claimed that they represented "science", and believed that the mainstream narrative was indeed based on the best science there was. In order to take this position, people refused to look that perhaps state actors were using this as an opportunity to control the population, that perhaps Big Pharma might put money over safety and efficacy. People lost any sense of scepticism so they could portray themselves as being with the 'narrative', which was seen as science and progress.

I'm not going to comment on the vaccines specifically, but I think other social motives took root, and bad information was flowing over all facets of any debate and discussion.

we had people saying 'trust the science' ,etc etc when they weren't reading the science. and it was hard to keep up because it was changing every month.

"don't need a mask" "wear a mask" "don't wear a mask" "Wear a mask indoors by yourself" j/k

"you will die if you don't get the vaccine. if you get the vaccine you will never get covid. "

I don't trust the science anymore. everything became political and I dont trust anything.
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HusTler wrote to mro <=-

Re: FSXNet
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 09:40 am

well it's his msg network, he can do what he wants with it.
I don't know why people would want to have censorship if it's not for

"It's his msg Network" Then FSX is not a "network" it's just a
chat room run by some big headed SysOp. SysOps need to drop this
so called network so it will just die out once in for all.

Wrong on all counts.



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HusTler wrote to MRO <=-

Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Nov 30 2022 11:58 pm

This is not FSXNet. You are allowed to have impopular opinions. IMO
the real appeal of secluded places such as this one is being able to have opinions that would get you banned elsewhere.

yeah i heard they had some drama there and posts get deleted.
my buddy nick andre said i was banned from there but I think i only posted l

Am I hearing (Reading) this right? Post's were deleted because
somone disliked an opinion? FSXNET is that bad? I remember when
fidonet used to do that. How disapointing. I'll have to take
those networks off my scan list.

No, you're not hearing that right. MRO is an idiot. Don't be an idiot
too.



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I was one of the ones that suggested that FSX did not need a Political

cho

because people like that would post there just to start stuff and, since that network has rules of conduct, it would be a moderation nightmare.

if you're a good moderator, it wouldn't be a nightmare.

If you take into consideration the network's rules about "playing nice," it would be a nightmare. My advice was that if he started a Politics echo
that he'd either have to "let it go" or he'd have his hands full constantly policing it.


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MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to Spaul on Sat Dec 03 2022 07:26 pm

One thing I like about this particular corner of the world is the open discussion you can have. There might be grief, but its pretty easy to simply not bother following the thread anymore, so there really isn't any excuse for bitching.

well one good thing about being a sysop is learning how to filter
people. i dont filter people with different views, or anything like
that.

if someone is a 'me too' type of troll i just block them. https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/bigdogmetoo.htm

also if someone tries to troll me i will push their buttons and play
along just for entertainment. Like i wont read what they post to me and
I make it obvious by saying so if they don't pick it up. i'll respond
to one sentence.

i'm old and i dont get worked up.

Fair enough. I'm not a Free Speech absolutist. I'm a supporter of Free THOUGHT.
You shouldn't be banned because of what you are saying, but I don't see an issue with blocking someone because of HOW they are speaking.

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MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to Spaul on Sat Dec 03 2022 07:41 pm

I dont have much to say on the pandemic itself, but it showed me that people who are supposedly educated and class themselves as the bastions of rationality dropped critical thinking in order to score points. Things quickly turned into a political crapfest where one side wanted to prove the other was science-denying right-wing conspiracy theorists. In order to do that, they claimed that they represented "science", and believed that the mainstream narrative was indeed based on the best science there was. In order to take this position, people refused to look that perhaps state actors were using this as an opportunity to control the population, that perhaps Big Pharma might put money over safety and efficacy. People lost any sense of scepticism so they could portray themselves as being with the 'narrative', which was seen as science and progress.

I'm not going to comment on the vaccines specifically, but I think other social motives took root, and bad information was flowing over all facets of any debate and discussion.

we had people saying 'trust the science' ,etc etc when they weren't reading the science. and it was hard to keep up because it was
changing every month.

"don't need a mask" "wear a mask" "don't wear a mask" "Wear a mask
indoors by yourself" j/k

"you will die if you don't get the vaccine. if you get the vaccine you will never get covid. "

I don't trust the science anymore. everything became political and I
dont trust anything. ---

It wasn't really "science" that was informing their views in many cases though.
People didn't know the science, or how science works. Science had little to do with it.

I knew things would turn sour right at the very start. Before it was declared a Pandemic, people were in a tizzy over others choosing to stay away from Chinese establishments. There was that Mayor of an Italian city who encouraged people to go out and hug Asians. From the very beginning people had a narrative, a heirachy of values to support.

This is the problem with the West, we judge everything ideologically. Is this "racist". Is this "bigoted". Could this be potentially construed or used by "racists". Does this fact embolden the right. So on...

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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Fri Dec 02 2022 06:01 pm

I was one of the ones that suggested that FSX did not need a Political echo because people like that would post there just to start stuff and, since that network has rules of conduct, it would be a moderation nightmare.

if you're a good moderator, it wouldn't be a nightmare.

banning politics and religion talk is cowardly, but it's his network
and he can do what he wants.

I'm a live and let live kind of guy, even if I don't like something it
has a right to be there and not be destroyed just because I don't like what they do and how they do it.

years ago i helped this one guy(one of many) setup his ftn network,
using help another long term sysop gave me. I gave him a lot of ideas
and help. i ran a site with services and he essentially copied me by
using some of the same scripts i did and he edited the code to make it seem like it was his.

He stopped being my friend and acted like he didn't even know me. I
let god sort it out and in the end he is gone and I am still here. i
did yank my services but that's because It was a lot of work sometimes
and some things that i offered were dated.

so people can go play in avon's sandbox. maybe that's what they want.
he's protecting them from the bad things like politics and religion!

He wants a particular tone, which I understand. If someone wants that kind of control they shouldn't create a Net and invite everyone to partake. He has his own BBS, and there is he is free to make up all manner of rules and restrictions.


fsxNet is upfront about the no politics or religion though, which is far more honourable than pretending you're about open discussion then selectively censoring and banning to suit an agenda, like big Social Media. So yeah, it does make fsxNet a little banal (though it is busy), but this rule is of little consequence in the end.

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Dec 03 2022 10:51 am

if you're a good moderator, it wouldn't be a nightmare.

If you take into consideration the network's rules about "playing nice," it would be a nightmare. My advice was that if he started a Politics echo
that he'd either have to "let it go" or he'd have his hands full constantly policing it.

dude, every network has that vague rule.
people can debate politics if they actually debate instead of parrotting or just stating their opinions.

the kinds of people that are unwavering are the wrong people for debating.

I'd say just let it go unless it goes to death threats or other abuse.
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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

if you're a good moderator, it wouldn't be a nightmare.

If you take into consideration the network's rules about "playing nice," it would be a nightmare. My advice was that if he started a Politics echo
that he'd either have to "let it go" or he'd have his hands full constantly policing it.

dude, every network has that vague rule.

It's not "vague" in FSXnet.

people can debate politics if they actually debate instead of
parrotting or just stating their opinions.

But that isn't what people do.

the kinds of people that are unwavering are the wrong people for
debating.

Like you? Unwavering?

I'd say just let it go unless it goes to death threats or other
abuse.

Thankfully, what you say doesn't matter.


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If you take into consideration the network's rules about "playing nice,"

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would be a nightmare. My advice was that if he started a Politics echo that he'd either have to "let it go" or he'd have his hands full

onstantly

policing it.

dude, every network has that vague rule.
people can debate politics if they actually debate instead of parrotting or

u

stating their opinions.

Correct, but that network actually means it. :)


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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Dec 04 2022 09:55 am

Paul began these rules back almost a year ago when I was carrying FsX, regarding political/religion conversations because of all the talk about Trump. It's interesting this is still going on.

Mick

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Re: Testing the waters
By: Mickey to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 04 2022 06:05 pm

Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Dec 04 2022 09:55 am

Paul began these rules back almost a year ago when I was carrying FsX, regarding political/religion conversations because of all the talk about Trump. It's interesting this is still going on.

nah there was stuff going on long before this.
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Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Fri Dec 02 2022 12:18 am

so do they lean towards socialist shit? the guy running it is in NZ, right?

Correct on both accounts.

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Mickey wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Paul began these rules back almost a year ago when I was carrying FsX, regarding political/religion conversations because of all the talk
about Trump. It's interesting this is still going on.

The US is still as politically divided, and I, for one, appreciate having a politics-free zone. There are certainly enough areas on Fidonet and
othernets to get into debates (that inevitably bleed into the other areas), we don't need all of them to do so.


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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mickey on Mon Dec 05 2022 06:26 am

The US is still as politically divided, and I, for one, appreciate having a politics-free zone. There are certainly enough areas on Fidonet and othernets to get into debates (that inevitably bleed into the other areas), we don't need all of them to do so.

you had no problem talking about politics when trump was in charge.
but now your president is shitting his pants and being a fool every day so you want to keep your head buried in the sand.
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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mickey on Mon Dec 05 2022 06:26 am

The US is still as politically divided, and I, for one, appreciate having a politics-free zone. There are certainly enough areas on Fidonet and othernets to get into debates (that inevitably bleed into the other areas), we don't need all of them to do so.

I understand why somebody would want a politics-free zone, but in practical terms, FSXNet only seems to be it.

As I have mentioned earlier, if you follow the party line nobody will have issue with you even if you push the boundaries. If you don't follow the party line, the thread will be flagged as political and the subject torn down.

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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 05 2022 12:05 pm

Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Mickey on Mon Dec 05 2022 06:26 am

The US is still as politically divided, and I, for one, appreciate having a politics-free zone. There are certainly enough areas on Fidonet and othernets to get into debates (that inevitably bleed into the other areas), we don't need all of them to do so.

I understand why somebody would want a politics-free zone, but in practical terms, FSXNet only seems to be it.

As I have mentioned earlier, if you follow the party line nobody will have issue with you even if you push the boundaries. If you don't follow the party line, the thread will be flagged as political and the subject torn down.

there's a guy right now that started a political conversation and said no politics. really stupid.

https://vert.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=fsx_gen&thread=98732

and then it just degerates into stupid banter.
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Paul began these rules back almost a year ago when I was carrying FsX,

egardi

political/religion conversations because of all the talk about Trump. It's

n

resting this is still going on.

Yes and, if you remember, a lot of baiting was being done by persons who
don't live in North America (and, if you ask them, usually don't want to
tell you anything about what is going on in their country).


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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MICKEY on Mon Dec 05 2022 04:58 pm

Paul began these rules back almost a year ago when I was carrying FsX,

egardi

political/religion conversations because of all the talk about Trump. It's

n

resting this is still going on.

Yes and, if you remember, a lot of baiting was being done by persons who don't live in North America (and, if you ask them, usually don't want to tell you anything about what is going on in their country).

those people are jealous of america because they don't have the amount of freedom that we have.

look at what went on in nz and canada and australia.
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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Arelor on Mon Dec 05 2022 12:34 pm

there's a guy right now that started a political conversation and said no po

https://vert.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=fsx_gen&thread=98732

and then it just degerates into stupid banter.

Spectre agreed with him, so clearly they are right and discussion about taxes is not political.

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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Arelor to MRO on Tue Dec 06 2022 01:05 pm

and then it just degerates into stupid banter.

Spectre agreed with him, so clearly they are right and discussion about taxes is not political.

yeah but who creates taxes and writes tax bills? politicians.
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Yes and, if you remember, a lot of baiting was being done by persons who don't live in North America (and, if you ask them, usually don't want to tell you anything about what is going on in their country).

those people are jealous of america because they don't have the amount of

ree

m that we have.

Exactly.

look at what went on in nz and canada and australia.

Yes, and also note some of the things our government (federal and states) tried.


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Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Dec 07 2022 04:18 pm

look at what went on in nz and canada and australia.

Yes, and also note some of the things our government (federal and states) tried.

they can TRY, but americans won't be put in concentration camps like in other countries. eventually the american spirit will show up.
even the far left will snap out of it.

They tried to see how far they could push us. part of what happened with the pandemic was it provided them with an opportunity to experiment and see how we reacted.
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They tried to see how far they could push us. part of what happened with the ndemic was it provided them with an opportunity to experiment and see how we

cted.

I agree with this totally. I think a lot of states are still experimenting with what else they can try beyond pandemic measures (see Oregon and their recent restrictive gun law).


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MRO wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Dec 07 2022 04:18 pm

look at what went on in nz and canada and australia.

Yes, and also note some of the things our government (federal and states) tried.

they can TRY, but americans won't be put in concentration camps like in other countries. eventually the american spirit will show up. even the far left will snap out of it.

They tried to see how far they could push us. part of what happened
with the pandemic was it provided them with an opportunity to
experiment and see how we reacted. ---

America is almost a fascist country now. You have the corporate world and the government working together to control the population. Look at how Big Tech has been censoring Conservatives to swing the election, and they have close ties with the Democrats.

I think its too late now for the USA. People won't "snap out" of it, you've already gone too far. The totalitarian state is already in place. Conservatives lost the culture war. They were too busy fighting for the rights of their enemies and screwing the working class over.


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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri Dec 09 2022 08:12 pm

America is almost a fascist country now. You have the corporate world and the government working together to control the population. Look at how Big Tech has been censoring Conservatives to swing the election, and they have close ties with the Democrats.

I think its too late now for the USA. People won't "snap out" of it, you've already gone too far. The totalitarian state is already in place. Conservatives lost the culture war. They were too busy fighting for the rights of their enemies and screwing the working class over.

there's certainly a fight to be had, but americans are not like any other people. all of us have the american spirit deep down.

things got out of control, but we went through some crazy times in the past 2+ years. for everything, there is an equal and opposite reaction. that's how trump got elected. obama divided the country and threw us into a recession around 2008. people got sick of that shit and that's how trump got in. all trump had to do was troll his way into the presidency and he destroyed everyone.

right now pedophiles and mentally ill people are trying to take over the country. but it only appears that it's right now. they've been working on it for a very long time. i saw it myself with my gf's daughter in middle school.

like i said, for everything there is an equal and opposite reaction. people are sick of this stuff. even a worm will turn.

we have a man with dementia as president right now. he's a puppet. he has very little true support. for him to get elected again there will have to be serious organized voter fraud, not just the individuals trying to accomplish it like last time.
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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri Dec 09 2022 09:25 am

obama divided the country and threw us into
a recession around 2008.

The recession was already starting to happen before Obama took office. I remember hearing about it soon before George W Bush was about to leave office, and there was an interview with him where he said "Why did this have to happen on my watch?"

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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Dec 09 2022 08:55 am

Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri Dec 09 2022 09:25 am

obama divided the country and threw us into
a recession around 2008.

The recession was already starting to happen before Obama took office. I

He could have had a plan to handle what was going to happen. It was obvious shit was going to hit the fan. he certainly didn't really have any financial sense or goals to improve our economy.

he asked what magic wand trump had when trump said he was going to bring jobs back to the usa (and he did).

then of course they said trump's success was because of the previous president. same old bullshit games the politicians play with us.

by the way, i voted for obama. he didn't meet any of his promises.
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The recession was already starting to happen before Obama took office. I

eme

er hearing about it soon before George W Bush was about to leave office, and

re was an interview with him where he said "Why did this have to happen on my tch?"

It actually started with the dot.com boom/crash before Bush took office, as well as the housing market crash, the roots of which were taking hold before Bush took office, although it seemed to be going unnoticed by most.

There was a docu-drama, and docu-series, about the dot.com boom/bust
sometime during the last 4-5 years that notes the link between the dot.com crash, the housing market crash, and several other recession causing
incidents that it either triggered or made worse.

The moral of the story was not to invest tons of money in companies that do
not actually produce anything. Their stocks were over-inflated by the excitement, and total lack of misunderstanding, of what the WWW was going
to be.

The people going crazy with crypto lately did not learn anything from it.


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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Sat Dec 10 2022 10:50 am

The moral of the story was not to invest tons of money in companies that do not actually produce anything. Their stocks were over-inflated by the excitement, and total lack of misunderstanding, of what the WWW was going
to be.

The people going crazy with crypto lately did not learn anything from it.

well something happened where the people in charge wanted to take out crypo, or atleast have their fingers in it too.
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The moral of the story was not to invest tons of money in companies that

o

not actually produce anything. Their stocks were over-inflated by the excitement, and total lack of misunderstanding, of what the WWW was going to be.

The people going crazy with crypto lately did not learn anything from it.

well something happened where the people in charge wanted to take out crypo,

atleast have their fingers in it too.

I am guessing the latter will take care of any desire to want to get rid of
it just fine.

The second-leading donor to the DNC candidates in the 2022 cycle was that crypto-kid who was running FTX. FTX went down the tubes right at election
time and took most of the investor money with it. I am betting the DNC got theirs, though.


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MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-

Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri Dec 09 2022 08:12 pm

America is almost a fascist country now. You have the corporate world and the government working together to control the population. Look at how Big Tech has been censoring Conservatives to swing the election, and they have close ties with the Democrats.

I think its too late now for the USA. People won't "snap out" of it, you've already gone too far. The totalitarian state is already in place. Conservatives lost the culture war. They were too busy fighting for the rights of their enemies and screwing the working class over.

there's certainly a fight to be had, but americans are not like any
other people. all of us have the american spirit deep down.

things got out of control, but we went through some crazy times in the past 2+ years. for everything, there is an equal and opposite
reaction. that's how trump got elected. obama divided the country and threw us into a recession around 2008. people got sick of that shit
and that's how trump got in. all trump had to do was troll his way
into the presidency and he destroyed everyone.

right now pedophiles and mentally ill people are trying to take over
the country. but it only appears that it's right now. they've been working on it for a very long time. i saw it myself with my gf's
daughter in middle school.

like i said, for everything there is an equal and opposite reaction. people are sick of this stuff. even a worm will turn.

we have a man with dementia as president right now. he's a puppet. he
has very little true support. for him to get elected again there will have to be serious organized voter fraud, not just the individuals
trying to accomplish it like last time. ---

I hope your right. I think you're not, but I hope you are. Too much freedom has been lost. Most of us are too tied to the system, it has its hooks everywhere. Companies can enforce the status quo by firing any dissenter.

Personally, I think the USA is borderline Fascist now. There is a merger of state and corporate power. A loose coalition of Big Tech and other Big Business, the Media, those in political power (mostly the Democrats) are all basically working together to take away your freedom and ability to change anything. They're pushing a nation destroying agenda and implementing means to cancel anyone who isn't going along.

I'm not American, this is just how it looks to me as an outsider. It's all quite horrific. It ironic, almost a generation ago you were pushing for "regime change" in other countries, and now it seems that you need "regime change" there.

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Dumas Walker wrote to NIGHTFOX <=-

The recession was already starting to happen before Obama took office. I

eme

er hearing about it soon before George W Bush was about to leave office, and

re was an interview with him where he said "Why did this have to happen on

my

tch?"

It actually started with the dot.com boom/crash before Bush took
office, as well as the housing market crash, the roots of which were taking hold before Bush took office, although it seemed to be going unnoticed by most.

There was a docu-drama, and docu-series, about the dot.com boom/bust sometime during the last 4-5 years that notes the link between the
dot.com crash, the housing market crash, and several other recession causing incidents that it either triggered or made worse.

The moral of the story was not to invest tons of money in companies
that do not actually produce anything. Their stocks were over-inflated
by the excitement, and total lack of misunderstanding, of what the WWW
was going to be.

The people going crazy with crypto lately did not learn anything from
it.

The leaders of the Anglosphere during that time period were truly, truly awful.
John Howard went along with that shoddy Iraq war, ruined the Australian economy by making housing unaffordable for two whole generations of people. Tony Blair was a cretinous nation destroying war criminal arse who hated his own country and sought to replace it. No wonder things went tits-up.


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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Dec 12 2022 10:56 pm

Personally, I think the USA is borderline Fascist now. There is a merger of state and corporate power. A loose coalition of Big Tech and other Big Business, the Media, those in political power (mostly the Democrats) are all basically working together to take away your freedom and ability to change anything. They're pushing a nation destroying agenda and implementing means to cancel anyone who isn't going along.

it's turning around right now.

I'm not American, this is just how it looks to me as an outsider. It's all quite horrific. It ironic, almost a generation ago you were pushing for "regime change" in other countries, and now it seems that you need "regime change" there.

well your media twists things over there, it always has.
everything craves balance. eventually it will sort out.

we also have a complicated system of checks and balances in our government with the different branches.
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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: MRO to Boraxman on Mon Dec 12 2022 04:45 pm

Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Dec 12 2022 10:56 pm

Personally, I think the USA is borderline Fascist now. There is a merger of state and corporate power. A loose coalition of Big Tech and other Big Business, the Media, those in political power (mostly the Democrats) are all basically working together to take away your freedom and ability to change anything. They're pushing a nation destroying agenda and implementing means to cancel anyone who isn't going along.

it's turning around right now.

I hope so. Australia follows the USA in many ways, so if you become fascist, we'll follow. Australian companies follow the US pretty closely in terms of culture.

I'm not American, this is just how it looks to me as an outsider. It's all quite horrific. It ironic, almost a generation ago you were pushing for "regime change" in other countries, and now it seems that you need "regime change" there.

well your media twists things over there, it always has.
everything craves balance. eventually it will sort out.

we also have a complicated system of checks and balances in our government with the different branches.

This is mostly from what I see of US media. Australia media doesn't really cover what is going on in the USA in much detail, well, the mainstrean news doesn't. Other website might comment, but that is all based in what information is reported out of the USA.

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Re: Re: Testing the waters
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat Dec 24 2022 11:43 pm

we also have a complicated system of checks and balances in our government with the different branches.

This is mostly from what I see of US media. Australia media doesn't

really
cover what is going on in the USA in much detail, well, the mainstrean news doesn't. Other website might comment, but that is all based in what information is reported out of the USA.

From what i understand from my australian friend, what the show over there about the usa in AU is very biased and sensationalized. there's one i like to watch on youtube that rips on biden all the time.

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