• oh man joe biden

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to All on Fri Jun 28 13:05:32 2024
    God damn joe biden was like a corpse with a speaker shoved up his ass and someone working his mouth open and closed.

    This dude is in bad shape. I can also tell they shot him up with a drug cocktail again but it wasn't working. It Probably was playing against the cold or whatever he had. maybe he got covid again. it's booming right now.
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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to MRO on Fri Jun 28 18:38:18 2024
    Re: oh man joe biden
    By: MRO to All on Fri Jun 28 2024 01:05 pm

    God damn joe biden was like a corpse with a speaker shoved up his ass and someone working his mouth open and closed.

    I actually felt sorry for him. He has no business attempting another presidency. I think the Democrat party did it to him deliberately to use it as a tool to get rid of him and put Obama's wife in there... IMHO.

    My wife said he was on TV today and looked totally recovered from his 'cold'.

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  • From Bryan@VERT/TINYTIME to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 30 11:32:59 2024
    The Democrats would have to swing hard towards center for me to even consider them. I cannot vote for Trump because of >his previous insistance that Presidents are basically above the law.

    One thing to keep in mind is that Trump and MAGA have moved the overton window far enough right that center looks left. I find it incredulous that the parties believe that these two are the best America has to offer. Then again, the parties are the problem.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to paulie420 on Mon Jul 1 04:51:58 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Sun Jun 30 2024 07:10 pm

    I disagree about Trumps 'above the law' view - I think they DO need to be above the law - because they literall have to be. Cmon dude; you think Bush didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq? But thats the point... we pick a leader, and we stand behind them; I think yer getting wrapped up with the messenger in Trump, but what he's trying to say DOES make sense.

    Waters get a bit muddy here.

    The way democracy works is by having people delegate their rights on the government. I don't think you can delegate rights you don't have, as a general principle. If you don't have the right to steal bread from the poor then you can't appoint a government to steal bread themselves. Modern democracies have lots of exceptions but that is because modern democracies are crooked.

    So basically I think if you don't have the right to steal and lie and kill then you cannot designate somebody to steal and lie and kill in your name.

    Trump's case is kind of funny because half the US political class was in a state of open rebellion all through 2020. Local politicians were letting rioters thrive because riots brough unstability to the federal government, and they didn't care if the people they represented had their homes, cars and businesses burned in the process. Governors were wiping their asses with executive orders. Democracy was ripping by the seams because half the country didn't respect due procedures, and in any other country this would have resulted in lots of politicians getting jailed for insubordination or rebellion.

    So yeah, if majors and governors are above the law and above their duty, the why not every other politician? If open rebellion is a valid tactic for democrats in 2020 then open rebellion is a valid tactic in Jan 6 and laws need not apply to any side.

    I don't think democrats who jumped on the George Floyd bandwagon are aware of the sort of Pandora's box they opened.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Jul 1 09:04:00 2024
    also had another person there to assist in the event that Joe fell to the side Jill was not on.

    It is too bad Trump didn't exit in the same manner. That would have provided a perfect contrast.

    I'm sure trump said goodbyes to individuals. Furthermore, this is also cnn which literally is his enemy. On their site they are still bulding up biden and talking about trump repeating "falsehoods".

    I meant it would have been nice to contrast how they both handled the
    steps. Trump didn't use them.

    Biden told some falsehoods, too. After his *repeated* claim that border
    patrol had endorsed him, the border patrol union posted on social media
    that they had not, and never would, endorse Biden.

    His claim that no soldiers had died under his watch was also very false.
    There were several deaths during the botched Afghanistan withdrawl, and
    there have also been deaths elsewhere (Jordan for example).

    Regarding CNN, when Biden started to look lost while Trump spoke, I was
    shocked they continued to use the split screen. It did Biden no favors.

    Biden WAS a world class debator. There was nothing he was better at. He couldn't debate a meatloaf at this point, and that's not a bunch of malarky.

    No joke. He is horrible.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Jul 1 08:26:00 2024
    Sherrod Brown ohio senator,
    The 71-year-old would be the oldest of the alternate picks, but is still seven
    years younger than Trump. It was considered a surprise when he did not have a tilt for the Democratic nomination for 2020, at the time saying remaining as Ohio's senator was "the best place for me to make that fight" on behalf of working people. A strong voice on labour rights and protections, he has also spoken defending IVF and abortion.

    This brings up something that I don't understand. Why have some states
    used their anti-abortion stances to go after IVF, too? They basically
    don't want people who don't want kids to get rid of them, and they also
    don't want people who do want kids, but can't have them without help, to
    have them.

    Sounds like they just like to punish people.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Mon Jul 1 09:06:00 2024
    Trump literally ran it like a business. He even brought in people to give the
    a chance and if they didn't work out, he cut them. That's how he does things.
    He wanted everything to work like a business.

    There were some people that didn't play along and just talked to the press all
    the time. That didn't help out anything. Paul ryan comes to mind. Paul Ryan is a sellout. He used to be for the people but when he moved on up he sold out
    That's what everyone is required to do when they work their way up in politics

    There were some sellouts, but Trump also has a reputation for either not listening to, or firing, people who do not tell him what he wants to hear.

    IMHO, so does Hillary and many/most other politicians these days.

    Joe has at least some history of not listening, too... Afghanistan
    comes to mind... but he also did not fire any of those Generals who gave him bad advice that *was* followed, either, which he should have done.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Mon Jul 1 09:08:00 2024
    Supposedly Kamala is upset that the names being floated by some Democrat pundits do not include hers.

    She is a COMPLETE nothing burger. She'll never be the POTUS, not will she run for it. Her entire career was putting poc in prison and wants to somehow be a savior because she's on the democrat ticket? GTFOH.

    That, and doing as Monica did, so to speak. At least Monica didn't use it
    to get a start in politics.

    That said, he danced around a few others and flat out didn't answer one. Biden actually seemed to briefly gain coherence and gave what I thought was a good answer to a Jan 6 question that Trump didn't really answer.

    I was yelling at Trump; freaking SAY OUT LOUD that 12M people came to the border, literally said 'im scared of X country and need asylum' and we let the
    in with a court date 38 mos later - its insane...

    Yeah, one of the few things that Biden was able to do was sometimes bait
    Trump into spending too much time refuting Biden's previous answer vs.
    giving a good answer of his own. There was another issue... I cannot
    remember which one... where Trump could have given a great answer but
    instead used his time to cover something Biden mentioned.

    The way things are going, RFK will likely get my vote if he is on the ballot in my state. If Biden runs and wins, Kamala will wind up President between now and 2028, which is a non starter for me.
    I cannot vote for Trump because of his previous insistance that DW> Presidents are basically above the law.

    I agree that I can't vote Biden... RFK, while not someone I'd... want to vote for - I hear you.

    I really don't want to, either, but something needs to happen or the
    dominant parties won't learn from their errors, which they've kept
    repeating since at least 2016.

    I disagree about Trumps 'above the law' view - I think they DO need to be abov
    the law - because they literall have to be. Cmon dude; you think Bush didn't break ALL the laws going into Iraq? But thats the point... we pick a leader, and we stand behind them; I think yer getting wrapped up with the messenger in
    Trump, but what he's trying to say DOES make sense.

    There are some protections regarding certain things that Presidents have to
    do, but they cannot be held above the law for everything... like terminating a political rival, as Trump's lawyer, in court, flat out agreed a President should be able to get away with so long as Congress does not impeach
    him/her.

    I thought for sure that lawyer would get fired but, oddly, he is the one
    that Trump kept.

    I voted for Trump twice, tho 2016 was really a vote against HRC, so I don't think I have an issue getting wrapped up with the messenger there. I
    certainly don't have the hate-boner for him that a lot of people do. If I
    had to vote for one or the other this time, and had no other choice, I'd have to vote for Trump again but since I don't have to I won't.

    As an aside, it has recently come out that HRC, as SOS, wanted Julian
    Assange droned so that he could not leak any more damaging evidence against
    her or the Obama Administration. Had Obama followed her advice, I
    certainly think he should *not* be protected from prosecution for it.

    If we protect Presidents from prosecution from *everything*, we are no
    better than any other self-oppressive nations.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to PAULIE420 on Mon Jul 1 08:56:00 2024
    I believe the 9-11pm ET time slot was too late for him to be alert. I do
    not believe the "cold" excuse.

    Agree - I also think he's a career politician who can read a speech or a teleprompter better than the media... he's a politician; a washed up, RETIREE who won't give in. And he's gonna NOT give in until he fucks up the U.S. citizens because of his inability to realize......

    Yeah, he is much better, but slipping, with a teleprompter. I am sure he missed having one during the debate.

    He's fuckin dead, dude. He won't make it - well, MAYBE he'll be alive in 2028 but he won't be coherent. Go freaking retire and enjoy your awesome life... bu
    no, he wants to keep fucking us till the last breathe.

    Disgusting.

    Someone mentioned this and I had forgot... Obama talked him into stepping
    aside for the 2016 election to let HRC pretty much run without opposition.
    Joe always wanted to be President, and Obama supposedly promised he could
    try "next." So they were pointing out that maybe what we have now...
    Zombie Biden running... is an indirect result of that promise.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BRYAN on Mon Jul 1 09:09:00 2024
    The Democrats would have to swing hard towards center for me to even consider
    them. I cannot vote for Trump because of >his previous insistance that Presidents are basically above the law.

    One thing to keep in mind is that Trump and MAGA have moved the overton window
    far enough right that center looks left.

    That is true, especially in the eyes of a MAGA or a far-right wing voter.
    There are some things that used to be center that they will flat out attack
    as being "leftist."

    I find it incredulous that the parties
    believe that these two are the best America has to offer. Then again, the parties are the problem.

    I agree 100% on both points. We have had nothing but horrible choices
    since at least 2016. I did not like, or vote for, Obama but at least he
    was coherent and I cannot say he was an outright horrible choice.


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  • From Bryan@VERT/TINYTIME to MRO on Tue Jul 2 10:22:21 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: MRO to Bryan on Tue Jul 02 2024 00:55:27


    maybe that's a good thing. our form of govt is dogshit.

    It's not. It's abhorrant that the supposedly greatest nation on the planet is so dysfunctional politically.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bryan on Tue Jul 2 20:05:50 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Bryan to MRO on Tue Jul 02 2024 10:22 am

    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: MRO to Bryan on Tue Jul 02 2024 00:55:27


    maybe that's a good thing. our form of govt is dogshit.

    It's not. It's abhorrant that the supposedly greatest nation on the planet is so dysfunctional politically.

    what i replied to is:

    Trump and his ilk aren't healthy for our form of
    government.


    it's a good thing. our govt is dogshit.
    our politicians are all on the take. if they don't do the right things, pharm cuts the donations. our entire federal govt is corrupt.

    if trump isnt good for our form of govt, that's probably a good thing.
    he's the cure to the disease. he's good with dealing with foreign leaders. He's not a warmonger like our other presidents. Trump runs the country like a business.

    If you hate trump for some reason, whatever. lets get another outsider who can't be bought and isn't part of the good ole boys club.
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 2 19:14:00 2024
    Problem is that a good politician can frame a lot of what they do as "under their presidential position"... "the dirt that Julian Assange was going to leak (on me) was a 'threat to our democracy' so we had to drone him today."

    You know; I was thinking 'they got it right' in the context of TODAY. Of what the left is trying to do to Trump and how I feel about that... the more I think about it, tho, is that in 20-40 years it will be used on the other side [or any side] in ways that I'm NOT thinking about right now; in a negative way....

    Or "The election was being stolen from me (which, in the nearly 4 years since, I have still not proven) so I had to have a rally in DC on the
    day of the electoral college verification (even though no other outgoing President has ever done this), and it is not my fault the rally (that I should have know better NOT to have) got out of hand and they stormed
    the Capitol."

    Its not that the election was stolen - thats just stupid talk. But it was BS that they mass-mailin'ed every person in America. (Or, whatever it was...)

    It changed how we do things; you go vote at your local school or church. In person - and we know the results within a few hours... I would have more respect for some new 'online' thing that we all AGREED on; where you VERIFY your ID and vote from a secure device.... but the mailin stuff was BS IMO.

    What's so CRAZY about (lol) identification to freaking vote - its NEEDED, jesus h christ!

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 3 14:13:00 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Jul 03 2024 08:35 am


    Trump runs the country like a business.

    I also cannot disagree with this, but will point out that a lot of businesses that are run like businesses go under. There are plenty of
    parts of government that need running more like a business, for sure, but there are parts that require considerations that businesses don't normally face.


    well with trump the proof is in the pudding.
    our branches of govt are too convoluted. as are the laws.
    trump helped to fix that with his executive orders. now those orders have been reversed and look at what we got.

    One example is trump brought back jobs to america. obama said with what magic want is he going to do that.

    Those trump years were probably the best years i could remember for myself personally. now look at what we have now.

    https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

    people just want to hate on trump. I dont care about trump; i care about results. right now i'm living in a shitty world.
    We aren't doing as well as the ukraine president's wife.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 4 13:24:08 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:48 am

    We aren't doing as well as the ukraine president's wife.

    Most of us are not doing as well as our own President's wife.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 4 11:48:19 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:48 am

    I point this out because, even in 2011, several years before his Presidential run, there were already people out there with TDS.

    Some people just aren't fans. Even before that, I've heard Biff Tannen from Back To The Future was based on Donald Trump.

    Nightfox

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to paulie420 on Thu Jul 4 14:11:00 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: paulie420 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 03 2024 09:21 pm

    Texas - I moved away from there 5 years ago; my ex-GF got a mail-in that she could have filled out and mailed in... sure, I'm just one person - but I bet theres millions just like me????? Yes.

    My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never lived in CA.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Thu Jul 4 14:14:46 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jul 04 2024 08:48 am

    I don't have a hate-boner for Trump like a lot of people do. I do have a lot of concerns about his actions, and statements, since losing the election that make me question whether or not I would vote for him again.

    I don't hate anyone... but I do not vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

    I vote for the plan... not the man.

    I vote for things like $1.80/gal gas, supporting law enforcement, women only competing in women's sports... etc.

    All things in the conservative plan.

    Biden's plan is to hate Trump... Biden has no plan.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Fri Jul 5 10:34:40 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:04 pm

    Some people just aren't fans. Even before that, I've heard Biff Tannen
    from Back To The Future was based on Donald Trump.

    I will have to admit I have no idea who Biff Tannen is. I don't think I have ever seen that movie all the way through.

    I'm a little surprised, considering how well-known the movie is. But he's one of the major characters and appears in one of the first scenes of the movie.. If you've even seen a little bit of it, you've probably seen Biff Tannen. He is a bully, and I'd say he's the main antagonist in the first 2 movies. In the second movie, they made him more like Trump in that he ends up wealthy (temporarily) and owning a skyscraper and paying off the police, etc..

    Nightfox

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Fri Jul 5 12:56:57 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:13 pm

    My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never
    lived in CA.

    Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

    I don't remember... I'd have to ask my brother that.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Fri Jul 5 14:50:06 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:06 pm

    I don't have a hate-boner for Trump like a lot of people do. I do have a >> lot of concerns about his actions, and statements, since losing the election >> that make me question whether or not I would vote for him again.

    I don't hate anyone... but I do not vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

    I vote for the plan... not the man.

    Part of his plan was to try to prove that Presidents were fully immune from criminal prosecution, which is where he lost me.


    it is very complicated stuff. There is a LOT of misinformation.
    Trump claimed he had immunity involving his efforts to undo the election loss. Part of this was him tryin got get pence to not certify the electoral votes.

    Of course his lawyers are going to do their job and get him out of whatever comes.

    supreme court ruled he has some immunity from prosecution.

    If you want a president who doesn't break 'laws' and is held accountable for what they do, you are on the wrong planet. At that level, laws mean nothing and money means nothing.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Fri Jul 5 14:57:29 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Thu Jul 04 2024 07:13 pm


    Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

    Here they did not send out ballots but they did send out material on how to request one. I got material for myself, for the previour resident (who moved out of state 10 years before the election), and for the original resident who'd been dead for ~15 years.


    in my city i had to fill out a form online and upload my id and they mailed me a ballot. My voting place looked like the building from new jack city, so I did mail in. At my workplace people received a lot of mail in ballots from people who did not live at their houses. There were several people that had that issue. Furthermore, there were crooked mail carriers who were selling stacks of ballots.

    I sent mine back to get a primary ballot, and sent theirs back with "no longer lives here" and "DECEASED" written on them. I didn't receive anything else for either of them.


    get a big marker and write ANK on it. that's address not known. that's the only thing that will help you. The carrier can just file in the correct area at the station.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Bf2k+ on Fri Jul 5 18:04:00 2024
    My brother in CA got three for my father who passed away in 2018 and has never
    lived in CA.

    Were they sent to him by California or by your father's former state of residence?

    I don't remember... I'd have to ask my brother that.

    Well, either way, some state is really screwed up.



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  • From Accession@VERT/PHARCYDE to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 10 17:22:22 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 12:43:00 -0500, you wrote:

    "Voting by Absentee Ballot Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need
    a reason or excuse, such as being out of town on Election Day, to
    vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to vote by absentee ballot
    may request one.

    That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and
    they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.

    It does say above "may request one," which would make it somewhat normal. However, if they're just sending them out to anyone and everyone (I don't believe my wife or I have ever gotten one, and we live in Wisconsin also).

    I wonder if the people who do get them without requesting them are on some sort of mailing list through the government.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From DaiTengu@VERT/ENSEMBLE to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 10 18:53:14 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2024 07:43 am

    "Voting by Absentee Ballot
    Under Wisconsin law, voters do not need a reason or excuse, such as being
    out of town on Election Day, to vote absentee. Any voter who prefers to
    vote by absentee ballot may request one.

    That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.

    Wisconsin doesn't send a ballot unrequested. SOMEONE requested it, you just need to enter your full name and birthdate.

    If someone else requests it on your behalf, without your permission, that's a violation of state laws (impersonating a registered elector).

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 10 20:37:12 2024
    Re: Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2024 07:43 am


    That is shady, but apparently legal. They should question it, and they shouldn't just send it to you unrequested.


    i got a big packet and it said 'your home ballot' or some shit like that.
    i tossed it out. I revoked my voter registration previously, too.

    I was sick of jury duty shit.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Accession on Wed Jul 10 20:40:36 2024
    Re: oh man joe biden
    By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 10 2024 05:22 pm

    It does say above "may request one," which would make it somewhat normal. However, if they're just sending them out to anyone and everyone (I don't believe my wife or I have ever gotten one, and we live in Wisconsin also).

    when i voted by absentee i went online and entered my info and then uploaded my drivers license. i'm not sure what was in that packet because i ripped it in half and tossed it. maybe it was a democrat scam with shit inside telling me who to vote for. I got stuff like that before. lists of people on the ballot and who i should vote for.
    I wonder if the people who do get them without requesting them are on some sort of mailing list through the government.

    it could be that disabled list or people are just flagging it.
    in my old home city people voted under me. I don't trust any of that shit.
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