Re: Re: freedom phone
By: poindexter FORTRAN to DaiTengu on Fri Jul 16 2021 07:42 am

https://www.engadget.com/fbi-encrypted-chat-app-anom-criminals-10200
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A Linux-based phone is sounding like a better idea the more I look at it. Can I get a GUI-based IRC client and VPN?

Android is linux-based. http://source.android.com

Phone companies put closed source apps on top of it, and lock bootloaders.


iOS is based on Darwin, which was based on BSD UNIX.

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Re: Re: freedom phone
By: DaiTengu to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Aug 06 2021 04:24 pm

A Linux-based phone is sounding like a better idea the more I look at i Can I get a GUI-based IRC client and VPN?

Android is linux-based. http://source.android.com

I suspect PF is thinking of a phone which loads a Linux+GNU distribution, as the ones people runs on servers or workstations :-)

Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainly does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.

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Re: Re: freedom phone
By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 07 2021 05:02 am

Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainly does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.

What would you expect a Linux phone OS to look like? Would you want it to run a Linux window manager like Gnome or Compiz or something and run Linux desktop apps?

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I suspect PF is thinking of a phone which loads a Linux+GNU
distribution, as the ones people runs on servers or workstations :-)

Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainly does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.

Mozilla tried to do something like that but failed to deliver.

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Re: Re: freedom phone
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Aug 07 2021 02:57 pm

Re: Re: freedom phone
By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Sat Aug 07 2021 05:02 am

Android may have a lot of Linux code under the trunk, but it certainly does not feel like using a common Linux distribution at all.

What would you expect a Linux phone OS to look like? Would you want it to r a Linux window manager like Gnome or Compiz or something and run Linux deskt apps?

Nightfox

I am not concerned for looks.

What I miss is using common Linux / GNU Coreutils tools out of the box for day to day management. In a "proper" Linux phone you could use apt-get or sbotools to install a Strongswan package, use /etc/ethers for setting arp entries, and Iptables for firewall rules.

There are ways to run proper Linux programs on Android, but they are limited and feel much like running an emulator.

I am not sure common window managers are a great fit for small screens myself. Big desktop environments seem to be bent into being usable on mobile devices but I have never tried them on that environment.


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Nightfox wrote to Arelor <=-

What would you expect a Linux phone OS to look like? Would you want it
to run a Linux window manager like Gnome or Compiz or something and run Linux desktop apps?

There are a couple of linux phone OS distros out there. Pinephone is running one of them.


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Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

What I miss is using common Linux / GNU Coreutils tools out of the box
for day to day management. In a "proper" Linux phone you could use
apt-get or sbotools to install a Strongswan package, use /etc/ethers
for setting arp entries, and Iptables for firewall rules.

There are ways to run proper Linux programs on Android, but they are limited and feel much like running an emulator.

I am not sure common window managers are a great fit for small screens myself. Big desktop environments seem to be bent into being usable on mobile devices but I have never tried them on that environment.

Imagine finally being able to do the "docked phone as a desktop" deal companies have tried selling for years. Make a clamshell with a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, and just enough guts to run VNC, and VNC into your
phone, running a full Linux distro.

Or, VNC in from any old desktop and get a full environment that you can take with you.


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Re: Re: freedom phone
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun Aug 08 2021 11:00 am

Imagine finally being able to do the "docked phone as a desktop" deal companies have tried selling for years. Make a clamshell with a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, and just enough guts to run VNC, and VNC into your phone, running a full Linux distro.

Or, VNC in from any old desktop and get a full environment that you can take with you.

Afaik there are already ways to do those things... up to a point. See what I mentioned of that UserLand tool mentioned in Linux Magazine. You can also run a Linux distribution in a chroot in Android so the VNC solution is not out of the question.

This does not change the fact that any Linux you would be running, would be running on top of a lot of spyware ridden cruft and heavily limited by it (ie. no advanced networking without rooting Android or developing a specific Android app).


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Re: Re: freedom phone
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sun Aug 08 2021 11:00 am

Arelor wrote to Nightfox <=-

What I miss is using common Linux / GNU Coreutils tools out of the box for day to day management. In a "proper" Linux phone you could use apt-get or sbotools to install a Strongswan package, use /etc/ethers for setting arp entries, and Iptables for firewall rules.

There are ways to run proper Linux programs on Android, but they are limited and feel much like running an emulator.

I am not sure common window managers are a great fit for small screens myself. Big desktop environments seem to be bent into being usable on mobile devices but I have never tried them on that environment.

Imagine finally being able to do the "docked phone as a desktop" deal companies have tried selling for years. Make a clamshell with a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, and just enough guts to run VNC, and VNC into your phone, running a full Linux distro.

Or, VNC in from any old desktop and get a full environment that you can take with you.

i can vnc or teamviewer from my phone into my desktop easily.

what i want for my phone is a linux distro that also has apps for using the phone and txting.
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