• food in england

    From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to All on Fri Feb 17 19:50:03 2023
    What should a tourist get when they visit England. Its generally a foodies paradise, when you visit a city such as London. I am hoping to visit several leading food halls when I go there in May.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Matthew Munson on Sat Feb 18 05:57:01 2023
    Re: food in england
    By: Matthew Munson to All on Fri Feb 17 2023 07:50 pm

    What should a tourist get when they visit England. Its generally a foodies paradise, when you visit a city such as London. I am hoping to visit several leading food halls when I go there in May.


    Word on the street is English dishes are made of the stuff they feed the dammned in Hell.

    When I was to England I survived from non-English restaurants and home-cooked dishes. For all the crap Spain gets (and deserves) I missed the mediterranean diet.

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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Arelor on Sat Feb 18 07:31:30 2023
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    |11A|09> |10Word on the street is English dishes are made of the stuff they feed the|07
    |11A|09> |10dammned in Hell.|07
    I am not expecting to eat their national dishes. Maybe once in my six days. Most of the stuff will likely be Asian, Indian etc.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Matthew Munson on Sat Feb 18 08:01:00 2023
    Matthew Munson wrote to All <=-

    What should a tourist get when they visit England. Its generally a
    foodies paradise, when you visit a city such as London. I am hoping to visit several leading food halls when I go there in May.

    Where specifically are you going? I'm interested in spending more time
    in the UK, as we're considering retiring there. Would love to hear more
    when you get back.

    I traveled to Wimbledon quite a bit on business in the late '90s, I
    don't recall any high-end restaurants I went to, but I fell in love with
    the local pub food, the fish and chip (and curry) shops on the high
    street in one of the villages, a breakfast joint in Earl's Court where
    all of the construction guys went, and a brasilian cafe in Chelsea that
    hosted a department meeting for us on the fly when we liked the
    breakfast so much we wanted to stay there all day.




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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Feb 18 12:48:58 2023
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN (21:4/122)


    |11pF|09> |10Where specifically are you going? I'm interested in spending more time|07
    |11pF|09> |10in the UK, as we're considering retiring there. Would love to hear more|07
    |11pF|09> |10when you get back.|07
    Most of the time will be in London, but I might do a day trip to Brighton, such as taking a 8:30 train and heading back around 6p.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Matthew Munson on Sat Feb 18 18:47:06 2023
    Re: Re: food in england
    By: Matthew Munson to Poindexter Fortran on Sat Feb 18 2023 12:48 pm

    Most of the time will be in London, but I might do a day trip to Brighton, such as taking a 8:30 train and heading back around 6p.

    Brighton was a lot of fun. I loved the pier, and it was a great city to walk through. Great shopping.
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  • From k9zw@21:1/224 to Matthew Munson on Sun Feb 19 04:03:41 2023
    On 17 Feb 2023, Matthew Munson said the following...

    What should a tourist get when they visit England. Its generally a
    foodies paradise, when you visit a city such as London. I am hoping to visit several leading food halls when I go there in May.

    There are several BBSers who are resident, who would have current state of affairs to share.

    London offers top notch hyphenated food - aka "anglo-Indian" or "anglo'Asia" as well as about every destination-fare that could be imagined.

    A London experience is distinctly just a small part of an English or UK experience though.

    While a lot of traditional pub foods have become uncommon as the traditional pub gave away to wine bars or were "Gordon Ramseyed" into gastro-pubs, there are outstanding places to eat.

    Your personal preferences will lead you to cullenary joy.

    As a "Field to Table" known & short food chain sort of person, I'll gravitate to that sort of place. Yet some folks are okay with anon food products or highly processed.

    The food courts are always interesting, though other than buying a few gifts over the years I hadn't consider them a personal highlight.

    If you end up in the right place at the right time, they have regualr markets that appeal more to me. They become true farmers markets at times, seeminly more common in smaller towns.

    Cooking personally I have done several "10 mile meals" where everything I serve has come from 10 miles away or less. I almost pulled off a 2 mile meal, but found too many critical pieces unavailable or below my standards, so it didn't work.

    Things I personally liked with English foods & drinks (YMMV of course):

    Brewery Tours (Hook Norton's stands out as a nice one)
    Real Ale - in the day anything with a CAMRA (spelling?) nood was a treat Cheeses - England excels at cheeses, so whether Stilton (a type of Blue), Farm House cheddars (Yarg is my preferrence), mixtures (Huntsman is a treat), infused (Sage Derby leads here), traditional crumbly (Cheshire perhaps), firm character (Red Leicestershire) there seems no end of interesting British Cheeses
    Game - I often cooked trout I had caught myself, or fish/game purchased from the market. Some great rabbit, pheasant and venison. Unlike the continent I didn't find much boar meat though.
    Traditionals - a cheese & onion pie, or a steak & kidney pie, or one of the apricot & ham cold pies (the ones with aspic) are a treat. Fish and Chips simply rocks. I've lunch in traditional workingmen's pubs where a pickled egg dropped into an open packet of flavored crisps (potato chips) maybe with a buttie (sandwich) washed down with pints of bitter (or mild) was the feature. A full English breakfast style plate is a treat, specially if all the parts are locally sourced.

    Contemporary home meals seem to include a lot of ready-prepared meals from places like Marks & Spencers (M&S), Waitrose, Tescos and the like. Not likely a food factor for your short trip, but often a factor when one of us is in country doing something eldercare for a few weeks.

    Back to London, I have had some of the best (anglo-)Indian food in all of England in London. Which place is the best seems to evolve, so I would ask around. I have had some of the worse food presented by hotels as "traditional English fare,' meals easily outclased by military field rations.Likewise I have had memorable street food and other stuff that at best could have been considered "sustance."

    Enjoy and hope you tell us all what you found that was noteworthy and not so nice.

    Safe travels!

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  • From Margaerynne@21:2/138 to Arelor on Tue Apr 25 18:16:43 2023
    Re: food in england
    By: Arelor to Matthew Munson on Sat Feb 18 2023 05:57 am

    Word on the street is English dishes are made of the stuff they feed the dammned in Hell.

    Blame Hitler and Henry VIII for that (though personally I kind of like it)
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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Margaerynne on Tue Apr 25 17:36:24 2023
    Word on the street is English dishes are made of the stuff they feed
    the dammned in Hell.

    Hrm. I dunno. We spent 6 months traveling around North Africa and Europe in 2019, and spent a month in England. It was by no means the worst food of the trip. In fact, I'd say England does 'hearty' pretty well.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Abbub on Tue Apr 25 18:25:01 2023
    Re: food in england
    By: Abbub to Margaerynne on Tue Apr 25 2023 05:36 pm

    Hrm. I dunno. We spent 6 months traveling around North Africa and Europe in 2019, and spent a month in England. It was by no means the worst food of the trip. In fact, I'd say England does 'hearty' pretty well.

    Amazing pub food. The only schwanky restaurants I've dined at in London were a Chinese restaurant, high-end Indian, and a 4-star hotel restaurant.

    (All on an expense account, of course)

    The pub food was hearty and excellent, as were takeaway chips and curries.

    We went to a country pub for a Sunday lunch - prime rib, pudding, mash, lots of veg and even more beer, and it was wonderful.

    I did eat at a Mexican restaurant in Chelsea once. Do Not Recommend.

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Poindexter Fortran on Tue Apr 25 20:41:41 2023
    I did eat at a Mexican restaurant in Chelsea once. Do Not Recommend.

    Haha! Yeah, I'm from Colorado. Our bar for Mexican food is pretty high...probably not something that's going to be topped by anyone in the UK. However, great takeaways, curries, pub food as you mentioned! That's really
    the secret with *any* country is figuring out WHAT you need to eat there. And if worse comes to worse, see if they have a Five Guys, because Five Guys
    truly are the McDonalds of the 21st century. They taste the same
    *everywhere*. lol

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Abbub on Wed Apr 26 07:12:00 2023
    Abbub wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    I did eat at a Mexican restaurant in Chelsea once. Do Not Recommend.

    Haha! Yeah, I'm from Colorado. Our bar for Mexican food is pretty high...probably not something that's going to be topped by anyone in
    the UK.

    I did a southwest trip many years ago - flew from San Francisco into
    Vegas, rented a Grand Marquis, drove through Nevada, saw the Hoover
    dam, through Arizona to the Grand Canyon, then through New Mexico to
    Albuquerque and Taos, then a high-speed burn back to Vegas and a flight
    back.

    Good Mexican food seemed to avoid Nevada, Arizona was OK. New Mexico
    was wonderful. Colorado would have continued the upward trend.



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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 26 12:29:27 2023
    I did a southwest trip many years ago - flew from San Francisco into
    Vegas, rented a Grand Marquis, drove through Nevada, saw the Hoover

    Are you in San Francisco? We had dinner at a Mexican restaurant that was on
    the rooftop of some non-descript building in the Mission District last year.
    It was AMAZING. I still dream about the carnitas. :D

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Abbub on Wed Apr 26 12:43:13 2023
    Word on the street is English dishes are made of the stuff they feed
    the dammned in Hell.
    Hrm. I dunno. We spent 6 months traveling around North Africa and Europe in 2019, and spent a month in England. It was by no means the worst food of the trip. In fact, I'd say England does 'hearty' pretty well.

    I think what was meant here is more about what you can call truly English cuisine rather than food of world available in London. People born outside UK can barely name anything but fish and chips when they think about English food, by source of origin. And even chips as served in the combo look more like a Belgian thing.. :>

    No offense to anybody, a bit joking here.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Abbub on Wed Apr 26 13:14:06 2023
    Re: Re: food in england
    By: Abbub to Poindexter Fortran on Wed Apr 26 2023 12:29 pm

    Are you in San Francisco? We had dinner at a Mexican restaurant that was on the rooftop of some non-descript building in the Mission District last year. It was AMAZING. I still dream about the carnitas. :D

    Not any more. I went to SF State University, and lived in the city for another 10 years after that.

    There's a place in the outer Richmond district called "Tommy's Mexican Restaurant" that has great Oaxacan-themed Mexican food and an incredible Tequila bar. The bar manager has gone on to set up Tequila bars in NYC and Vegas.

    Across the street is Trad'r Sams, a tiki bar replete with rattan booths, pineapple Cristmas lights and a menu of rum drinks ranging from Mai Tais to drinks served in what resemble hubcaps meant for several people.

    https://www.tikiwithray.com/tiki-bar-review-31-tradr-sam-san-francisco-ca/
    If your tiki tastes are a bit more highbrow, go to The Tonga Room in the Fairmont Hotel while it's still there. There's a lagoon, an island, a polynesian band rows out to the island to play, and it rains. No joke.

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Hollowone on Wed Apr 26 17:08:33 2023
    I think what was meant here is more about what you can call truly
    English cuisine rather than food of world available in London. People

    I mean...sausage rolls, pastys, pork pies...yorkshire pudding (with or
    without the roast!)... It's all super heavy and terrible for your cardiovascular health, but delicious. Decent beer. Great cheese. Yeah, I
    think that the bad rap that the UK gets for food is probably 50% just French propaganda.

    Having said that, most of the *bread* we got in the UK was pretty mediocre.
    We had good soda bread when we were in Ireland. But the French have forgotten more about making fantastic bread than most countries have ever known, so I won't hold that against anyone in the UK.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Abbub on Wed Apr 26 20:19:55 2023
    BY: Abbub (21:2/145)

    |11A|09> |10Hrm. I dunno. We spent 6 months traveling around North Africa and Europe|07
    |11A|09> |10in|07
    |11A|09> |102019, and spent a month in England. It was by no means the worst food of|07
    |11A|09> |10the|07
    |11A|09> |10trip. In fact, I'd say England does 'hearty' pretty well.|07
    I will be visiting the food halls and other markets around the city so I can have unique dishes.


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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Abbub on Thu Apr 27 05:07:06 2023
    I mean...sausage rolls, pastys, pork pies...yorkshire pudding (with or without the roast!)... It's all super heavy and terrible for your cardiovascular health, but delicious. Decent beer. Great cheese. Yeah, I think that the bad rap that the UK gets for food is probably 50% just French propaganda.

    Well, you know it, I know it... but that's true... I forgot about fuckin' Frenchies :>

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Abbub on Thu Apr 27 19:54:00 2023
    BY: Abbub (21:2/145)

    |11A|09> |10Having said that, most of the *bread* we got in the UK was pretty|07
    |11A|09> |10mediocre.|07
    |11A|09> |10We had good soda bread when we were in Ireland. But the French have|07
    |11A|09> |10forgotten|07
    Bread sold at street markets would that be dodgy? I was thinking of buying some loaves, and then go to Sainsburies or Tesco to make some sandwiches.


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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to Utopian Galt on Fri Apr 28 08:10:53 2023
    Bread sold at street markets would that be dodgy? I was thinking of
    buying some loaves, and then go to Sainsburies or Tesco to make some sandwiches.

    I wouldn't say it's 'dodgy', more that it pales in comparison to the bread
    sold in France, particularly in Paris. My experience with baked goods in the
    UK is that the best ones involved some sort of meat and/or cheese filling.
    lol

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Utopian Galt on Fri Apr 28 06:59:00 2023
    Utopian Galt wrote to Abbub <=-

    Bread sold at street markets would that be dodgy? I was thinking of
    buying some loaves, and then go to Sainsburies or Tesco to make some sandwiches.

    As long as you don't have an issue with the water, street vendors would
    be as OK as street vendors here, I'd think.

    I would like to spend a couple of weeks in Mexico and get used to the
    water - some of the street vendor fare looked amazing, but it would be a
    case of turistas for a week.





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  • From k9zw@21:1/224 to Abbub on Fri Apr 28 12:02:30 2023
    On 26 Apr 2023, Abbub said the following...

    I mean...sausage rolls, pastys, pork pies...yorkshire pudding (with or without the roast!)... It's all super heavy and terrible for your cardiovascular health, but delicious. Decent beer. Great cheese. Yeah, I think that the bad rap that the UK gets for food is probably 50% just French propaganda.

    There is some lovely food in the UK that is traditional and is good for you.

    Seems the cheaper take-away stuff is all people think of when writing about UK food.

    BTW properly done Yorkshire Pudding (pop-overs) are not heavy and broken down are pretty high quality ingredients.

    The meat rolls/pies avialable commercially compared to a scratch-kitchen made are heavy, where the better made are a delite.

    The seafood and freshwater fish are really good. If you want to do a vegitarian meal, I've had UK ones that were simply awesome.


    Having said that, most of the *bread* we got in the UK was pretty mediocre. We had good soda bread when we were in Ireland. But the French

    You weren't trying very hard, as everything from the Hovis (about the only commercial I would eat in the UK) to their sourdough can be world class. I actually brought back my sourdough starter from a place called the Sourdough Revolution in the Cotswolds.

    That said there are some bread styles popular that are modern- day wonder bread bland & blah.

    I certainly didn't loose out eating local for school & work in the UK. Not at all.

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  • From Abbub@21:2/145 to K9Zw on Sat Apr 29 08:59:09 2023
    *** Quoting K9Zw to Abbub dated 04-28-23 ***
    You weren't trying very hard, as everything from the Hovis (about the
    only commercial I would eat in the UK) to their sourdough can be world class. I actually brought back my sourdough starter from a place
    called the Sourdough Revolution in the Cotswolds.

    Well, no, we weren't driving all over the country to try and find decent bread, but we did try to find it around the place we were staying. lol

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  • From k9zw@21:1/224 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 29 17:46:49 2023
    On 28 Apr 2023, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    Utopian Galt wrote to Abbub <=-

    Bread sold at street markets would that be dodgy? I was thinking of buying some loaves, and then go to Sainsburies or Tesco to make some sandwiches.

    As long as you don't have an issue with the water, street vendors would
    be as OK as street vendors here, I'd think.

    Never heard of any concerns about the water in the UK, what have you heard?

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  • From k9zw@21:1/224 to Abbub on Sat Apr 29 18:01:07 2023
    On 28 Apr 2023, Abbub said the following...

    Bread sold at street markets would that be dodgy? I was thinking of buying some loaves, and then go to Sainsburies or Tesco to make some sandwiches.

    I wouldn't say it's 'dodgy', more that it pales in comparison to the
    bread sold in France, particularly in Paris. My experience with baked goods in the UK is that the best ones involved some sort of meat and/or cheese filling. lol

    It would simply awful if UK bread tasted like French bread. The French would be so upset!

    I remembered the nice bread I would buy - Granary Bread - when UK based.

    --

    More generally when traveling or when assigned work periods in differing places, I truly hope to never find "emulation cusine" of other places, rather I would always want a chance to try (and hopefully enjoy) what the locals eat.

    Maybe that is why I found joy in Haggis, Tatties and Neeps in Scotland, when others spurned the adventure. Or why I was fascinated by all the different ways herring was prepared on a work visit in Sweden. Or why I risked the full fire of local Jerk when travel put me in Jamaica for a period. Or enjoying the blood sausage and baby eels (elva) in the Basque region. Or when work put me in Denver those Rocky Mountain oysters.

    When younger I would always take in a McDonalds where travel took me, just so I could say I had a Big Mac in yet another country.

    Then I decided I would always try their local variants - like the McRib which was introduced in West Germany at least a decade before the USA got it, or the McChiken Korma (spelling?) which the Channel Islands had, but as far I am aware neve came stateside.

    The adventure of travel eating is the novel, unexpected, new, rather than hoping someplace else is in teh same cullinary rut as where I come from.


    YMMV

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to K9zw on Sat Apr 29 17:00:26 2023
    BY: k9zw (21:1/224)

    |11k|09> |10When younger I would always take in a McDonalds where travel took me,|07
    |11k|09> |10just so I could say I had a Big Mac in yet another country. |07
    I think I will do this, people say that food not made in America has less artifical crap in it.
    I might even do Taco Bell lol The Volcano Burito meal. Its near my hotel neighborhood.

    |11k|09> |10The adventure of travel eating is the novel, unexpected, new, rather|07
    |11k|09> |10than hoping someplace else is in teh same cullinary rut as where I come|07
    |11k|09> |10from. |07
    Yes, I want to try a sausage roll, or some Indian food.


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