I try to make a meat loaf once a month for the family. :) Oh and with
some good old mash potatos.

Drop by FIDO COOKING and share the recipe sometime. ;)



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Or.... Ready for this. Ground Beef and mac & cheese. :)

I haven't tried that, but it sounds good. Sometimes I liked to mix in canned tuna with mac & cheese.

Ground beef with mac and cheese used to be a popular dish here in my area
of the states. Maybe I only think it was "popular" because it was a dish
often served by the school lunch cafeteria during the late 1970s/early
1980s. ;)

I have also been known to mix tuna in with it.



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this takes me back to the same days using Pine for email and Tin for
Usenet etc... I recall using ytalk (I think) to chat with someone in
the USA at a St Louis university using the Internet... this was circa 1994/1995 I think.

Tin! That is the name of the news reader that I couldn't remember. I
don't remember using ytalk, but I do remember using finger to figure out
if someone was on, and then using talk (which could have been ytalk) to
chat for a bit.



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Re: Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Accession on Wed May 15 2024 06:48 am

In all seriousness, I love pico/nano. I started a blog on my tilde and have been using nano to compose text files and I'd forgotten how comfortable I'd gotten with them using PINE/ALPINE for email.

I understand why people like nano, but i've been using vi for so long that I automatically do ESC :wq and nano starts recording a macro or something...

Yet here I am using a BBS editor just fine.. weird.

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Avon wrote to Blue White <=-

this takes me back to the same days using Pine for email and Tin for Usenet etc... I recall using ytalk (I think) to chat with someone in
the USA at a St Louis university using the Internet... this was circa 1994/1995 I think.

I'll add to that - running Windows 3.11 and using tools that created a
SLIP connection over a dial-up shell account, because a true PPP
account was too expensive. I think I used slIRP, capitalized something
like that.



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Avon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I also recall a few passionate folks who were very into OS/2 in the
90s...

The caller in question, who was a great guy I got to know, could take an oppositional/minority stance in anything. We'd talk about cars, he'd
talk about 3-stroke kerosene-powered V-7s as the wave of the future.



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ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

You're close. It's a sub like bun with sliced, spiced beef. They take the cooking juices (think aus jus) and pour it over the beef depending
on how "soggy" you want it. They'll add cooked, long strips of sliced green peppers if you ask.

OK, now it's 0632 local time and I'm jonesing for a cheese steak.
Surprisingly, there are decent cheese steak places in California where
they don't put sprouts or avocado on, or have a gluten-free bun or
impossible beef. The key is the place has to have the words "cheese
steak" in the name. Get a cheesesteak anywhere else and it's horrid.

The CheeseSteak Shop in Oakland, CA had a great cheesesteak sandwich,
steak fries seasoned with paprika, cokenotpepsi and those packaged
TastyKake "twinkies" - which apparently are a Philly thing.



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Blue White wrote to niter3 <=-

I try to make a meat loaf once a month for the family. :) Oh and with
some good old mash potatos.

Drop by FIDO COOKING and share the recipe sometime. ;)

My local market has a butcher shop, and they sell pre-made meatloaf for
the same price as the ground round. I haven't made my own since
discovering theirs!


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Blue White wrote to Nightfox <=-

Ground beef with mac and cheese used to be a popular dish here in my
area of the states. Maybe I only think it was "popular" because it was
a dish often served by the school lunch cafeteria during the late 1970s/early 1980s. ;)

I think, if you add cream of mushroom soup to that, you get hamburger helper/tuna helper.

There's a great line in the TV show "Yellowstone", where Beth Dutton,
who doesn't have a lot of domestic instincts, wants to have dinner
waiting for her boyfriend, Rip.

"I wanted to make dinner for you. I made hamburger helper, but I
couldn't find hamburger, so I used tuna."

Rip says "Why didn't you use the Tuna Helper?"

(irony is they're on a cattle farm...)



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On 16 May 2024 at 07:37a, Blue White pondered and said...

Tin! That is the name of the news reader that I couldn't remember. I don't remember using ytalk, but I do remember using finger to figure out if someone was on, and then using talk (which could have been ytalk) to chat for a bit.

`ytalk` was (is?) a client for the `ntalk` protocol, which
let users "talk" over a bidirectional TCP connection; the
`ntalk` protocol was just a way of shipping information
about who wanted to talk to some remote machine; the conversation
itself happened over a bog-standard TCP connection. The
`ntalk` protocol differs from the `talk` protocol in being
slightly less machine-dependent (ie, the byte order of the
computer matters in the latter, while the former uses network
byte ordering for everything. So with the latter, you couldn't
talk between a VAX and a Sun, but with the former you could).
Neither protocol ever grew support for IPv6.

There were several different clients; one came with BSD (and
most Unixes). `ytalk` was different; it also supported
"multiway" chat between more than two parties.

Almost none of this is used anymore. Kind of sad, in a way.

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- Ketchup on pizza

I have done this with leftover, not-otherwise-flavored crusts.

Yep, that's it. :) Sometimes BBQ sauce too.

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I haven't tried that, but it sounds good. Sometimes I liked to mix in canned tuna with mac & cheese.

That's good too. Ground beef is much better. Give it a try.

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- Ketchup on pizza

Candy Corn on Pizza

You win. :D

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choice of the next generation, and it will let you so many things at the same time that your head will spin, and it can dance, and ... oh never mind... it sucks...

LOL! :)

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Drop by FIDO COOKING and share the recipe sometime. ;)

I have a recipe I just pulled off line. I've used multiple recipes and found one the family likes.

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The CheeseSteak Shop in Oakland, CA had a great cheesesteak sandwich, steak fries seasoned with paprika, cokenotpepsi and those packaged TastyKake "twinkies" - which apparently are a Philly thing.

It's 11:32 am local time here and I am now officially hungry! Unfortunately, I'm on a grain free diet and had to give up the bread. It's done wonders for my diabetes but I still get those cravings! I would just have to eat the cheesesteak meat, no cokenotpepsi (I like that!) and make sure the fries weren't coated. Life's a bit?h when you get old!

Scott

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Re: Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Wed May 15 2024 07:09 am

sure, whatever... but OS/2 is THE BEST Operating System in the world, and can run circles around anything else, and it looks nicer, and will cook your breakfast for you, and make your coffee, and has 3D-bordered icons, and is nifty, and looks cool, and is True-Blue, and can run DOS better than DOS, and will take out the garbage, and will get you chicks, and has ...
it can dance, and ... oh never mind... it sucks...

:P Yeah, I've heard people argue about the Mac, and Amiga, being years ahead of IBM PC-compatibles, but OS/2 seemed to be the thing in its day for PCs.

And as far as its looks and 3D-bordered icons and such, I think all the modern operating systems these days have a fairly flat look, and I don't like that.. The companies making the OSes in use these days seem to have all decided that a flat look is how things should be. Sometimes it's hard to tell if something is a button or just a rectangular region for display because they both look the same..

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Re: Re: your opinion of current w
By: ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 16 2024 11:39 am

It's 11:32 am local time here and I am now officially hungry!
Unfortunately, I'm on a grain free diet and had to give up the bread. It's

I'm counting calories religiously - it's the first time I've tried that. I've had to manage my weight continually - lost 75 pounds on Weight Watchers back in 2000, then have tried plant only, Atkins, Keto, and WW again, with short-term success.

This works pretty well, I don't limit what I eat, just limit portion sizes. I'm tracking in the FitBit software, which also tracks steps and facotrs exercize in to calorie counts.
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Never have put Ketchup on Onion Rings, alway have ate them as served.
Here, I put Mustard on Hot Dog(s), spouse uses ketchup on hers

Ketchup goes well with French Fried Potatoes.
Used to like Arby's Curly Fries but ate them without any toping(s), now I order the Crinkle Fries and of course place a dab of Ketchup on each portion as I eat it .

WHAT! THIS ISN'T THE COOKING ECHO??????
Ed
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I enjoy Thousand Island Salad Dressing on a Salad.
Never thought to use it on anything else.
I might have to try it on a Hamburger sandwich instead of getting the Mayonnaise Jar out of the refrigerator, I'll snub it and try TI to see if it pleases Me too.
Thanks All, Ed
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I'm counting calories religiously - it's the first time I've tried that. I've had to manage my weight continually - lost 75 pounds on Weight Watchers back in 2000, then have tried plant only, Atkins, Keto, and WW

Know Weight Watchers! They helped me lose 25 pounds. 75 pounds is great! Did you get your pins?

again, with short-term success.

This works pretty well, I don't limit what I eat, just limit portion sizes. I'm tracking in the FitBit software, which also tracks steps and facotrs exercize in to calorie counts.

Before covid, I was hiking/backpacking 40-50 miles per week in the Virginia mountains. We had to move due to wife losing her job. We ended up in
eastern Texas where there aren't any mountains nor much in the way of hiking opportunities. I put on 20 pounds the first year so started running/walking
on treadmills. Didn't help diabetes plus the boredom drove me crazy! Finally got hooked up with doctor who suggested the no grain diet. My testing
numbers have since plummeted.:) Plus I've lost over half of the weight. It's really a mind game now.

While in Virginia, I had a fitbit that I wore religiously. It got to the
point that the battery died, wouldn't charge. I miss it.

Scott

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Re: your opinion of current w
By: Ed Vance to Tiny on Thu May 16 2024 12:42 pm

Never have put Ketchup on Onion Rings, alway have ate them as served.

I think ketchup can be good on onion rings. I also like to eat them plain. There are some places that I've eaten at that offer other condiments that are pretty good on onion rings.

Ketchup goes well with French Fried Potatoes. Used to like Arby's Curly Fries but ate them without any toping(s), now I order the Crinkle Fries and of course place a dab of Ketchup on each portion as I eat it .

I think Arby's curly fries taste good enough to be eaten without ketchup, though sometimes I like ketchup on those too. If I order from Arby's and get fries, I pretty much always order their curly fries rather than the crinkle fries.

Nightfox
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Re: Re: your opinion of current w
By: poindexter FORTRAN to ogg on Thu May 16 2024 10:17 am

I've had to manage my weight continually - lost 75 pounds on Weight Watchers back in 2000, then have tried plant only, Atkins, Keto, and WW again, with short-term success.

I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was the only guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

Nightfox
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Re: Re: your opinion of current w
By: Ed Vance to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 16 2024 12:52 pm

I enjoy Thousand Island Salad Dressing on a Salad. Never thought to use it on anything else.

When I was a kid, I sometimes liked Thousand Island dressing on salad. I haven't done that in years though. I tend to prefer Thousand Island on other things now - either as a condiment for fries or as a spread on a hamburger.

Nightfox
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I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was the only guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

I don't think going is necessary at all.

There is more to this, but essentially for every 57 calories it's one point.

Their new system is just confusing. I've stuck to this plan and I've been good over the years.

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Re: your opinion of current w
By: niter3 to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 04:22 pm

I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was the only
guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

I don't think going is necessary at all.

There is more to this, but essentially for every 57 calories it's one point.

Yeah, I figured I could probably do that on my own if I wanted to.

Nightfox
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I like banana nut bread mix.
Never thought to add raisins to the mix.
I have doubts that chocolate would make it taste better.
But everyone here has their own taste.
Ed
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Candy corn on pizza?
He he he he. He he

Ed W9ODR

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He he he he. He he
Ed W9ODR

Are you laughing in CW Ed?

Yeah, it was something from the interwebs and became a halloween night thing here. Usually do half a frozen pizza with them like a Red Baron.

Have to have fun with it.

73

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On Wed, 15 May 2024 11:48:00 -0700, you wrote:

In all seriousness, I love pico/nano. I started a blog on my tilde and
have been using nano to compose text files and I'd forgotten how
comfortable I'd gotten with them using PINE/ALPINE for email.

I do as well. It was by far the easiest for me to learn and the least convoluted. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

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On Wed, 15 May 2024 12:17:00 -0700, you wrote:

In their condiment bar, they have 3 or 4 mustards with a little
artisanal description ("A german variety made with xxy mustard seeds, coarsely stone ground, with hints of vinegar and white pepper...")

I never knew Germany took mustard so seriously until I watched an episode of 'The Amazing Race' some years ago and they did a mustard tasting of like 9 different varieties on one of the legs of the race.

For Ketchup, the description was

"Smooshed-up tomatoes. It's really GOOD!"

That about sums it up!

Regards,
Nick

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 17:48:52 -0700, you wrote:

I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was the only
guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

Should have turned on the charm and tried to see how many numbers you could get. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Blue,

On Thu, May 16 2024 12:37:24 -0500, you wrote:

Tin! That is the name of the news reader that I couldn't remember. I don't remember using ytalk, but I do remember using finger to figure out if someone was on, and then using talk (which could have been ytalk) to chat for a bit.

Psst. Take a look at the tearline. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: your opinion of current w
By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu May 16 2024 06:22 pm

I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was the only
guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

Should have turned on the charm and tried to see how many numbers you could get. ;)

I was already taken at the time. :)

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On 16 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

Ground beef with mac and cheese used to be a popular dish here in my area of the states. Maybe I only think it was "popular" because it was a dish often served by the school lunch cafeteria during the late 1970s/early 1980s. ;)

I have also been known to mix tuna in with it.

we always just did the hamburger (or tuna) helper from the little box. i had that again recently and it was actually pretty decent for what it is. another from that sort of meal in a box category, zatarain's jambalaya, is pretty decent too for something with no effort.

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On 16 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

Tin! That is the name of the news reader that I couldn't remember. I don't remember using ytalk, but I do remember using finger to figure out if someone was on, and then using talk (which could have been ytalk) to chat for a bit.

it's kind of weird, there was a whole sort of parallel bbs community on the "freenets" back then. with the added benefit of being able to actually use
the shell account to do "work" if you were into that sort of thing.

of course if you were in university you'd probably have access to their servers instead (and in fact some of the docs for pine on the internet still include help for accessing email at specific schools)

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On 16 May 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

I'll add to that - running Windows 3.11 and using tools that created a
SLIP connection over a dial-up shell account, because a true PPP
account was too expensive. I think I used slIRP, capitalized something
like that.

my first actual internet access at home was via a local bbs that had a ppp door. worked pretty decent technically but was slow as could be.

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On Thu, 16 May 2024 21:50:30 -0700, you wrote:

Should have turned on the charm and tried to see how many numbers you
could get.

I was already taken at the time. :)

Welp, any fun there just went right out the window. :)

Regards,
Nick

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this takes me back to the same days using Pine for email and Tin for Usenet etc... I recall using ytalk (I think) to chat with someone in the USA at a St Louis university using the Internet... this was circa 1994/1995 I think.

ytalk... we had the Apple User club BBS back then, weirdly running on a 486 with an early Slak install. We had a 4 way ytalk chat with the admin guys that really new what they were doing. While the GF of the time and myself, still had training wheels on, we just happened to be hosting the hardware.
Probably a few years earlier though, 92/93 maybe.

Back then there was no way to host a multiline dialup system on a Mac. AU/X didn't support PPP. Apple was dropping, and there was no software for MacOS
of the age either.

Spec


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On 16 May 2024 at 07:37a, Blue White pondered and said...

Tin! That is the name of the news reader that I couldn't remember. I don't remember using ytalk, but I do remember using finger to figure out if someone was on, and then using talk (which could have been ytalk) to chat for a bit.

I was talking to my wife last night about this and mentioned Finger also... it's hard not to giggle when you say that...sorry... but hey yeah good times..

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On 17 May 2024 at 02:56a, tenser pondered and said...

There were several different clients; one came with BSD (and
most Unixes). `ytalk` was different; it also supported
"multiway" chat between more than two parties.

Almost none of this is used anymore. Kind of sad, in a way.

I'm glad my memory is good enough to recall it.

Say (speaking of not in use now) do you follow the Serial Port YouTube channel and their efforts to resurrect old software. Archie just came back from the brink :)

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On 16 May 2024 at 06:29a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...

I'll add to that - running Windows 3.11 and using tools that created a
SLIP connection over a dial-up shell account, because a true PPP
account was too expensive. I think I used slIRP, capitalized something
like that.

I have a couple of words that spring to mind.... Trumpet Winsock :)

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On 17 May 2024 at 11:24a, Spectre pondered and said...

ytalk... we had the Apple User club BBS back then, weirdly running on a 486 with an early Slak install. We had a 4 way ytalk chat with the admin guys that really new what they were doing. While the GF of the time and myself, still had training wheels on, we just happened to be hosting the hardware. Probably a few years earlier though, 92/93 maybe.
Back then there was no way to host a multiline dialup system on a Mac. AU/X didn't support PPP. Apple was dropping, and there was no software for MacOS of the age either.

Nice to know there were all sorts of usage/uses of ytalk going on at the time.

I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

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Nano. For those who don't want have to learn an editor in order to be

While nano is acceptable, probably for purely hysterical reasons (sic)
I'd far prefer to stick with Joe.

Either are better than Emacs or Vim. After writing my thesis in Latex using Emacs & dealing with vim for programming in Fortran 90 (I did switch to Emacs and it was slightly better) - I never want to to see either again (or my thesis for that matter).

The magic spells one needs to incant in Emacs to do basic stuff like run a spell check just blew my mind.. Whereas Vim manages to go in the complete opposite direction - i.e. concise and yet obtuse to the point of being equally arcane & difficult to use.

... Full throttle, dry tank.

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Re: Re: Pine, TIN etc.
By: Avon to tenser on Fri May 17 2024 02:37 pm

Howdy,

Say (speaking of not in use now) do you follow the Serial Port YouTube channel and their efforts to resurrect old software. Archie just came back from the brink :)

I was curious about this as I dont think I ever heard of archie ... (Well I dont remember anyway...)


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Dit DAHHHHHH Dit!

The above is an exaggerated Letter R meaning Roger or Yes for those here who don't regularly listen to the noise on the lower Amateur Radio Frequencies where CW aka Morse Code is heard.

Re: Frozen Pizza - DeGerno(?sp?) is the brand preferred here, Risen Crust, of course.

Note: Ain't been on the air since wife told me to remove those UGLY BLACK WIRES coming out of one doorway up to the attic staircase.

Did I cause Your eyebrows to raise when You read my reply to the Jelly. Bean topping for Pizza post? I MEANT TO DO THAT.!

Your using a Call Sign to identify Yourself caused Me to write that.

B4 I got the Novice License the Hams who knew me in High School already were calling Me "Lid Ed".

But I have tried to be a Good LID. Just ask my wife, She will tell You how 'trying' I am.
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Almost none of this is used anymore. Kind of sad, in a way.

Indeed. I think they may have been eclipsed by the various chat clients
like AIM, etc. The people I used to talk to over talk migrated to those,
so we stopped using talk.

I think it might be sort of neat to have something like talk so that
users on one bbs could chat with users on another, but I guess that is
what the irc is for. :)



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My local market has a butcher shop, and they sell pre-made meatloaf
for
the same price as the ground round. I haven't made my own since
discovering theirs!

There used to be a small local market here that had a lunch counter. You
could get a very decent meal for next to nothing. One of my favorites
was their meat loaf with two sides. You got a piece of meatloaf the size
of a brick. I was able to make two meals out of those lunches!

Was real sorry to see them go, but I think retirement age + the pandemic
did them in.



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- Ketchup on pizza

I have done this with leftover, not-otherwise-flavored crusts.

Yep, that's it. :) Sometimes BBQ sauce too.

Or ranch dressing. :)

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Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999 node number.



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On 17 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

I think it might be sort of neat to have something like talk so that
users on one bbs could chat with users on another, but I guess that is what the irc is for. :)

should check out wiki.synchro.net/module:sbbsimsg

it uses some oldschool unix stuff to fetch active users and send messages

for example, "telnet vert.synchro.net 11" (that is, port 11) will dump the currently active users, and a program made to use MSP could send messages to them..

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
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Tin! That is the name of the news reader that I couldn't

remember. I

Psst. Take a look at the tearline. :)

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Nice!

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don't remember using ytalk, but I do remember using finger to

figure out

if someone was on, and then using talk (which could have been

ytalk) to

chat for a bit.

I was talking to my wife last night about this and mentioned Finger
also... it's hard not to giggle when you say that...sorry... but hey
yeah good times..

The person I used to talk to was female so we got a whole lot of giggles
out of that, too. :D



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On 17 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

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Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999 node number.

says _199_

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* Origin: Clutch BBS * telnet://clutchbbs.com (21:1/199)

Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999 node

number.

says _199_

LOL, I saw that origin line multiple times and didn't catch that until
you pointed it out! Guess it is time for an eye exam again. :D



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In the 1960's I remember there were restaurants called "YOGI'S" in Alameda. Several varieties of toppings were already on their hamburgers and all of them were lined up in order for customers to select.

Does that Chain still exist in Your area?

Ed
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ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Know Weight Watchers! They helped me lose 25 pounds. 75 pounds is
great! Did you get your pins?

I have the 75 pound one somewhere around here...

While in Virginia, I had a fitbit that I wore religiously. It got to
the point that the battery died, wouldn't charge. I miss it.

I have an old Fitbit, the Flex 2. It's one that only has LEDs, no
display. It's inconspicuous, which I like - it doesn't demand your
attention, it'll only vibrate occasionally - when you get a call, a
text message, or to remind you to get up and move around.

When it dies, I don't know what I'll do - probably pay way too much for
a replacement instead of a full-blown smart watch or fitness band with
a display.



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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was the only guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

If you like curvy women, you're in a dating paradise - ask one of your
fellow members out for a salad or a walk on the beach... :)



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niter3 wrote to Nightfox <=-

There is more to this, but essentially for every 57 calories it's one point.

Their new system is just confusing. I've stuck to this plan and I've
been good over the years.

I still have the old docs from the 2000s, back when it was
fat/fiber/protein that determined points. It was a lot simpler than the
3 or 4 plans they have now. The "eat as many zero point foods as you'd
like until you feel full" didn't really work as well for me.

Now, apparently, they're prescribing weight loss drugs as well.



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Accession wrote to Nightfox <=-

Should have turned on the charm and tried to see how many numbers you could get. ;)

Telephone numbers, or weights?

<I'm outta here!>



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fusion wrote to Blue White <=-

of course if you were in university you'd probably have access to their servers instead (and in fact some of the docs for pine on the internet still include help for accessing email at specific schools)

In the east bay (San Francisco) in the early 90s, you were cool if you
had a "soda" email address. soda.berkeley.edu was an eecs
building/school at UC Berkeley, and they apparently never deleted
accounts, even after graduation. This was back before people could go
out and get a free account somewhere.



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kirkspragg wrote to Spectre <=-

The magic spells one needs to incant in Emacs to do basic stuff like
run a spell check just blew my mind.. Whereas Vim manages to go in the complete opposite direction - i.e. concise and yet obtuse to the point
of being equally arcane & difficult to use.

Designed for a low-resource computer without a mouse. Bill Joy said if
he were writing an editor that others would use, it wouldn't have been
vi - that was his personal editor.



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When it dies, I don't know what I'll do - probably pay way too much for
a replacement instead of a full-blown smart watch or fitness band with
a display.

I decided to try my iPhone. I didn't trust the numbers for steps I was getting. I just started tracking mileage and time. That was more consistent than steps on the phone.

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Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999 node num

says _199_

Oh shit, did I miss something? Do I need to make a change on my end?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
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I still have the old docs from the 2000s, back when it was fat/fiber/protein that determined points. It was a lot simpler than the
3 or 4 plans they have now. The "eat as many zero point foods as you'd like until you feel full" didn't really work as well for me.

Now, apparently, they're prescribing weight loss drugs as well.

One thing that has always worked is counting calories and eating quality food. Essentially that's what I do with point counting.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Linux/64)
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I went to a Weight Watchers meeting years ago (2010) and I was

the only

guy there.. The rest were women. I felt a little out of place..

If you like curvy women, you're in a dating paradise - ask one of your fellow members out for a salad or a walk on the beach... :)

Hmmmm, weight watchers, eh? :D



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Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999

node num

says _199_

Oh shit, did I miss something? Do I need to make a change on my end?

No I read it wrong! :D



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On Fri, 17 May 2024 13:44:02 -0500, you wrote:

* Origin: Clutch BBS * telnet://clutchbbs.com (21:1/199)

Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999 node number.

Look at it again, my dude. Your eyes are deceiving you. :)

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 14:03:26 -0500, you wrote:

--- tin/2.6.3-20231224 ("Banff") (Linux/6.8.9-arch1-1 (x86_64))

Nice!

I keep a copy of that, as well as slrn installed in the console for testing purposes. :)

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 17 May 2024 12:08:00 -0700, you wrote:

Should have turned on the charm and tried to see how many numbers you
could get. ;)

Telephone numbers, or weights?

Are there any weights at a weight watchers meeting? I figured they just talked you into buying their diet food that tastes, or at least used to taste like rubber and cardboard (my mom tried that crap when I was a kid, so the food is probably a lot better decades later).

<I'm outta here!>

Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Good day, sir.

I SAID GOOD DAY! :D

Regards,
Nick

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On 17 May 2024 at 10:04a, fusion pondered and said...

On 17 May 2024, Blue White said the following...

I think it might be sort of neat to have something like talk so that users on one bbs could chat with users on another, but I guess that i what the irc is for. :)

should check out wiki.synchro.net/module:sbbsimsg

it uses some oldschool unix stuff to fetch active users and send messages

for example, "telnet vert.synchro.net 11" (that is, port 11) will dump
the currently active users, and a program made to use MSP could send messages to them..

Ah....The Internet Message Send Protocol.

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On 17 May 2024 at 02:37p, Avon pondered and said...

I'm glad my memory is good enough to recall it.

Say (speaking of not in use now) do you follow the Serial Port YouTube channel and their efforts to resurrect old software. Archie just came
back from the brink :)

Yes! I heard about that; I'm surprised the source code
was that hard to find, actually.

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On 17 May 2024 at 02:46p, Avon pondered and said...

I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

It's still there! One can install it on most Unix-y systems,
Linux distributions, etc.

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tenser wrote to Avon <=-

On 17 May 2024 at 02:46p, Avon pondered and said...

I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

It's still there! One can install it on most Unix-y systems,
Linux distributions, etc.

It's installed by default on my Slackware Linux systems. Haven't used it,
and don't know how to, but it is present and functional.

danc@palantir:~$ ytalk
Usage: ytalk [options] user[@host][#tty]...
Options: -i -- no auto-invite port
-Y -- require caps on all y/n answers
-E -- require <esc> before y/n answers
-s -- start a shell
-q -- prompt before quitting
-v -- print program version
-h host_or_ip -- select interface or virtual host danc@palantir:~$

;-)



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Designed for a low-resource computer without a mouse. Bill Joy said if
he were writing an editor that others would use, it wouldn't have been
vi - that was his personal editor.

And yet Vim is pretty much well everywhere Linux & U
nix is! Though I don't like using it, it really is amazing how widespread it has become.

... "Here is a pouch of money, which I'm not going to give to you."

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On 18 May 2024 at 10:50a, tenser pondered and said...

Yes! I heard about that; I'm surprised the source code
was that hard to find, actually.

I'm just glad they found a copy, and to be honest I hope if others want to spin up their own instance of an Archie server then they are able to obtain a copy to do that also.

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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On 18 May 2024 at 10:51a, tenser pondered and said...

On 17 May 2024 at 02:46p, Avon pondered and said...

I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

It's still there! One can install it on most Unix-y systems,
Linux distributions, etc.

Cool, OK then... [starts to hatch a plan]

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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Re: your opinion of current w
By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 17 2024 05:30 pm

Should have turned on the charm and tried to see how many numbers you
could get. ;)

Telephone numbers, or weights?

Are there any weights at a weight watchers meeting? I figured they just

I meant the ladies' weights. Not free weights.

swingandamissss....

I'll let myself out.
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I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

Shrug, I don't recall it requiring any kind of server, it was just point to point, only ever saw console implementations of it too... might not be very prctical.

Spec


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Just FYI, if this is your BBS, you are still flying the /999

node num

says _199_

Oh shit, did I miss something? Do I need to make a change on my end?

No I read it wrong! :D

Got'cha, I didn't think I was the few that needed to update.

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On Sat, 18 May 2024 03:53:18 -0700, you wrote:

Telephone numbers, or weights?

Are there any weights at a weight watchers meeting? I figured they just

I meant the ladies' weights. Not free weights.

swingandamissss....

I'll let myself out.

Eyyyyoooooo! :)

Regards,
Nick

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Glad that things here in NZ are not quite so scary, but things can
change fast unfortunately.

dang!

Genuinely interested to hear what your take on communism is? I'm pretty left leaning, believe that society and our governments have a duty to ensure that everyone has a fair deal, has their basic needs met when
they are struggling and has the same opportunities to get on in life regardless of who or what they are. I would not go so far as to describe myself as communist though.

I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory by ultra leftists and liberals) tankie
I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism
which is worker's state, centrally planned economy, means of production seized by workers, and no markets

i am in a Party. the party of the US working class https://partyofcommunistsusa.net or
https://partyofcommunistsusa.org
this is the same site just different domains

basically right to housing/job & vacation/education/health care/etc.
food is something you gotta contribute for so nobody live off of other in explotative ways

there will be accommodations for those who are disabled (like me) and there will be jobs that suit them and not to taxing

under capitalism there is severe exploitation
under socialism exploitation is non existant
exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society live off the labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off the labor because they own the factories etc. aka the means of production

Interested in hearing you views about what it

means for you.
thats basically it

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...

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Could you please shift political / religious discussions to an othern thanks.

Apologies, i will be more mindful of this in future.

sorry ill be mindful too

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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It's not necessarily controversial, it's politics that's banned. It
never ends well, results in rehashed arguments that neither side is
going to be swayed by and either riles people up or is just tiresome.

There are plenty of other outlets for peoples political ideologies and this net focus more on what brings people together rather than drives
them apart.

understood ill stop i just saw this message.

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... Redundant book title: DOS For Dummies

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to be fair, here are a few things that are controvertial:

amiga was better than the pc and should have won out. the c64 was junk
but people could afford them.

bruh xD

joe is a better text editor than vi and should still come with linux

whats that

synchronet is better than mystic

yeah..

lord is a mediocre door game
ketchup belongs on hot dogs

etc.

xD

don't really need politics nor religion to argue about something.

i for one don't care for the "chicago dog" .. chili cheese onion and jalapeno is where it's at ;)

xD

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... This virus requires Microsoft Windows 3.x

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Anyone who uses joe drinks toilet water. Putting your .vimrc in git is
the way...

lol! XD

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... Error, no Keyboard - Press F1 to Continue.

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It seems the better technologies don't always win out. For PC operating systems, I thought OS/2 was better than Windows, but Windows ended up becoming the de facto standard.

i really like OS/2! <3

--mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

... 640K ought to be enough for anybody. -Bill Gates, 1981.

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Re: Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon May 13 2024 10:59 am

Is discussing opinions on communism considered controversial?

Do you want to try and see what happens? I am fine with a good old BBS bloodbath but the administration won't be.
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Re: Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: Adept to Avon on Tue May 14 2024 10:15 pm

But I want to know _people_, not political opinions. And I want to _like_ most everyone here.

I don't think you get to know a person without knowing what his opinions are. --
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Re: Re: Pine, TIN etc.
By: Gamgee to tenser on Fri May 17 2024 06:26 pm

It's installed by default on my Slackware Linux systems. Haven't used it, and don't know how to, but it is present and functional.

It is also included on OpenBSD. I can see it working for something like a shared Unix shell, but the system is very primitive by today's standards, specially when there are things like IRC to use instead.

That said, t is great the system comes with such a chat mechanism out of the box.
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Re: Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: mary4 to kirkspragg on Sun May 19 2024 12:26 am

I am a super strong avocate for 20th century Socialism

Good for you, now move to a country which makes a flag of so called 20th century socialism and drop the subject since it is forbidden by policy.
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mary4 wrote to kirkspragg <=-

I am a Marxist-Leninist... aka communist/bolshevik/(derogaatory
by ultra leftists and liberals) tankie I am a super strong
avocate for 20th century Socialism which is worker's state,
centrally planned economy, means of production seized by workers,
and no markets

i am in a Party. the party of the US working class https://partyofcommunistsusa.net or
https://partyofcommunistsusa.org
this is the same site just different domains

basically right to housing/job & vacation/education/health
care/etc. food is something you gotta contribute for so nobody
live off of other in explotative ways

there will be accommodations for those who are disabled (like me)
and there will be jobs that suit them and not to taxing

under capitalism there is severe exploitation
under socialism exploitation is non existant
exploitation is where someone who dose not contribute to society
live off the labor of others. aka the capitalist. they live off
the labor because they own the factories etc. aka the means of
production

Translation: A textbook "entitlement-mentality" case.

Perhaps you should move to a communist country like Russia, and perhaps
you'll be happier there because you won't be "exploited" any more. LOL



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Arelor wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Pine, TIN etc.
By: Gamgee to tenser on Fri May 17 2024 06:26 pm

It's installed by default on my Slackware Linux systems. Haven't used it, and don't know how to, but it is present and functional.

It is also included on OpenBSD. I can see it working for
something like a shared Unix shell, but the system is very
primitive by today's standards, specially when there are things
like IRC to use instead.

Yes, I looked into it a little more and it is indeed a product from 'yesteryear'. Very cool (and useful!) a while ago, I'm sure.

That said, t is great the system comes with such a chat mechanism
out of the box.

Agreed!



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While you two argue about those, I'll sit back and use nano.

+1. ~30 years ago, nano (or a predecessor) was the editor that my shell account used as the pine e-mail editor and, IIRC, also with the editor that I used to compose usenet replies.

nano gang! :D

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Interested in hearing you views about what it

means for you.

Best we take this discussion over to one of the other message boards where politics is an acceptable topic of conversation, Fidonet's politics unlimited should do the trick.


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Re: Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: Gamgee to mary4 on Sat May 18 2024 12:18 pm

Perhaps you should move to a communist country like Russia, and perhaps you'll be happier there because you won't be "exploited" any more. LOL

21th Century Socialism is a term I associate mainly with South American countries, because it is South American politicians who claim to strive for it. Think Nicolas Maduro.


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Just lol :P


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While you two argue about those, I'll sit back and use nano.

+1. ~30 years ago, nano (or a predecessor) was the editor that my

nano gang! :D

I heard they were smaller than the purple gang and you still need extra protection.


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On 17 May 2024 at 06:26p, Gamgee pondered and said...

tenser wrote to Avon <=-

On 17 May 2024 at 02:46p, Avon pondered and said...

I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

It's still there! One can install it on most Unix-y systems,
Linux distributions, etc.

It's installed by default on my Slackware Linux systems. Haven't used
it, and don't know how to, but it is present and functional.

So there are two components:

* The talk server, which is actually just kind of a little,
in-memory database of talk _requests_, and
* The talk client, of which `ytalk` is one but so are `talk`
and `ntalk`.

The way the protocol works, in a nutshell, is that you send
a talk "request" to a distant host by running the client.
E.g.,

ytalk tenser@fat-dragon.org

This does a couple of things: 1, sends a message to the `talkd`
server _on your local machine_ saying that you want to talk to
the remote user. If there's no existing request _from_ the remote
user, it creates a listening socket and posts it's address locally
_and_ sends a request to the `talkd` on the remote machine saying
you want to talk. The `talkd` on the remote machine then writes
a message to the remote user (provided the user is logged in and
has configured their terminal to answer talk requests). If they
chose to answer you, they then run talk locally in a similar manner
to how you did:

ytalk you@your.host.com

Their local talk client talks to their local talk server, which
has a record of your chat request and the socket your request is
listening on. Your talk client then makes a TCP connection to
that socket; at which point, both clients send a message to their
local talk servers that acknowledges that the connection has been
established, and they're done. You then proceed to talk to the
other user via the TCP connection; the UI is usually a split
screen affair.

So in order for it to work, you have to have both the client
installed, _and_ the talk server installed and configured to
accept requests from the larger Internet. Most folks don't have
the latter part set up (for good reasons; the protocol is totally
insecure, and doesn't play well with firewalls and NAT'ing, etc).

The "standard" talk daemon from Berkeley was run from `inetd`.

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tenser wrote to Gamgee <=-

I'm starting to wonder if we can (in some way) bring it back?

It's still there! One can install it on most Unix-y systems,
Linux distributions, etc.

It's installed by default on my Slackware Linux systems. Haven't used
it, and don't know how to, but it is present and functional.

So there are two components:

* The talk server, which is actually just kind of a little,
in-memory database of talk _requests_, and
* The talk client, of which `ytalk` is one but so are `talk`
and `ntalk`.

The way the protocol works, in a nutshell, is that you send
a talk "request" to a distant host by running the client.
E.g.,

<SNIPPED for brevity>

Great info, thanks! Saved for future reference, and may try to set this
up eventually. Appreciate the time you spent on explaining it!



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On 19 May 2024 at 09:28a, Gamgee pondered and said...

<SNIPPED for brevity>

Great info, thanks! Saved for future reference, and may try to set this up eventually. Appreciate the time you spent on explaining it!

Sure thing! Here's another handy reference:

https://cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/internet/talk.html

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Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri May 24 2024 07:07 pm

OS/2 might've been better than Win9x, but it was not better than Windows NT (IMHO). And of course, IBM messed up the marketing of OS/2.

I only used Windows NT a little bit, and perhaps not enough to know what advantage it had over OS/2. I thought OS/2 got pretty good up to its last version though.

I agree IBM messed up the marketing of OS/2. And I think IBM could have pushed it more. I think that was one of the main reasons it failed.

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Re: your opinion of current world situation
By: Nightfox to fusion on Tue May 14 2024 09:50 am

It seems the better technologies don't always win out. For PC operating systems, I thought OS/2 was better than Windows, but Windows ended up becoming the de facto standard.

OS/2 might've been better than Win9x, but it was not better than Windows NT (IMHO). And of course, IBM messed up the marketing of OS/2.
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Re: Re: Pine, TIN etc.
By: fusion to Blue White on Fri May 17 2024 10:04 am

for example, "telnet vert.synchro.net 11" (that is, port 11) will dump the currently active users, and a program made to use MSP could send messages to them..

I suggest you use nc (or netcat) for that kind of thing instead of telnet though. :-)
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ironically i almost didn't post that one (the text editor one was the other one) .. that and suggesting detroit style pizza is better than deep dish seems to ruffle some feathers :)

I traveled to Chicago recently, and we made sure to get some
Chicago-style pizza while in Chicago.

And it was good, though really more like eating lasagna than eating

You know, I just read an article that stated that Portland, Oregon pizza was in the top 10 in America - I have to take my GF out to try it sometime soon!!!



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Re: Re: Pizza!
By: paulie420 to Adept on Wed Jun 05 2024 06:23 pm

You know, I just read an article that stated that Portland, Oregon pizza was in the top 10 in America - I have to take my GF out to try it sometime soon!!!

I saw that. I do like the variety of pizza in the area.

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You know, I just read an article that stated that Portland, Oregon pizza was in the top 10 in America - I have to take my GF out to try it
sometime soon!!!

I will, of course, assume that Portland-style pizza is a little bit weird.

But so are you, and that's a positive, so hopefully you and your GF like it.

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Re: Re: Pizza!
By: Adept to paulie420 on Thu Jun 06 2024 08:31 pm

You know, I just read an article that stated that Portland, Oregon pizza
was in the top 10 in America - I have to take my GF out to try it
sometime soon!!!

I will, of course, assume that Portland-style pizza is a little bit weird.

Weird in what way? A lot of the pizza in the area here is probably fairly normal pizza, with the usual combination-style pizzas (usually with toppings like sausage, salami, onion, green pepper, olives, etc.), Hawaiian (Canadian bacon & pineapple), and other options, with thin or thick crust, etc.. I have my favorite places that I think make tasty pizza. There's also at least one chain (Pizza Schmizza) that makes some more unusual/weird pizzas (there's one with hickory smoked bacon, baby red potatoes, roma tomatoes, and sour cream; a steak & potato pizza; they also have another one that includes alligator sausage, and so on).

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You know, I just read an article that stated that Portland, Oregon pi was in the top 10 in America - I have to take my GF out to try it som soon!!!

I saw that. I do like the variety of pizza in the area.

I know that one Portland place... Pizza Fifty??? Or something with 'fifty' in the name. I was suggested another one - do you know of any good ones in the city?



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Nightfox was heard saying....

Weird in what way? A lot of the pizza in the area here is probably

I wonder if you guys have "Brampton style" pizza anywhere? So Brampton
is a city near Toronto with a large Indian population. The butter chicken pizza is amazing. (Butter chicken sauce as a base). They have various
other's with indian spices. I believe "Popular Pizza" was the chain that started it.


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pizza. There's also at least one chain (Pizza Schmizza) that makes some more unusual/weird pizzas (there's one with hickory smoked bacon, baby
red potatoes, roma tomatoes, and sour cream; a steak & potato pizza;
they also have another one that includes alligator sausage, and so on).

Given Portland's reputation for being a little weird, that does seem like about the sort of thing I was expecting, with my comment.

I do appreciate unusual food options, generally, so it sounds like a neat place.

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On 07 Jun 2024, Tiny said the following...

I wonder if you guys have "Brampton style" pizza anywhere? So Brampton
is a city near Toronto with a large Indian population. The butter
chicken pizza is amazing. (Butter chicken sauce as a base). They have various other's with indian spices. I believe "Popular Pizza" was the chain that started it.

Reeeeealllllyyyyyy!! I've not heard of this yet, just went to their website and they have a location here in Hamilton. We have dinner plans tonight, but I know what we're having for dinner tomorrow! :)


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Re: Re: Pizza!
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Thu Jun 06 2024 07:52 pm

I saw that. I do like the variety of pizza in the area.

I know that one Portland place... Pizza Fifty??? Or something with 'fifty' in the name. I was suggested another one - do you know of any good ones in the city?

It looks like it's Lovely's Fifty Fifty? I haven't heard of it. It looks like there's one in north Portland. It might be interesting to check it out.

I'm on the west side.. Probably the closest local pizza chain to me is Belaggio's Pizza (which I think is pretty good) and Pizza Schmizza (which I also like).

One good pizza place I like in Portland is Pizza Baron. I think they only have one location. I haven't been there in a while; I should probably go there again some time. Their pizza kinda reminded me of Pietro's, if you're familiar with them.

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Re: Re: Pizza!
By: Tiny to Nightfox on Fri Jun 07 2024 06:45 am

I wonder if you guys have "Brampton style" pizza anywhere? So Brampton is a city near Toronto with a large Indian population. The butter chicken pizza is amazing. (Butter chicken sauce as a base). They have various other's with indian spices. I believe "Popular Pizza" was the chain that started it.

I'm not familiar with Brampton style pizza, but I have heard of similar pizzas. There is a population of Indian people here as well, and there's a restaurant (or at least there was) near me called Curry and Crust which made Indian food and Indian-style pizzas.

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Re: Re: Pizza!
By: Adept to Nightfox on Fri Jun 07 2024 12:54 pm

Given Portland's reputation for being a little weird, that does seem like about the sort of thing I was expecting, with my comment.

I do appreciate unusual food options, generally, so it sounds like a neat place.

I think the Portland area is weird in a good way. Fun quirks. :)

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Warpslide was heard saying....

various other's with indian spices. I believe "Popular Pizza" was the

Reeeeealllllyyyyyy!! I've not heard of this yet, just went to their website and they have a location here in Hamilton. We have dinner plans tonight, but I know what we're having for dinner tomorrow! :)

Nice! Let me know what you think. I do really like the butter chicken
base.



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But I want to know _people_, not political opinions. And I want to _lik most everyone here.

I don't think you get to know a person without knowing what his opinions are. --

And see? I like you _despite_ how grumpy you often are. :)

But, all the same, keeping a lid on how much we find out about your opinions on Spanish politicians probably makes us all happier.

But horses? Or your flaming sword? Fun topics.

Beyond that, though, I oftentimes have to take breaks from social media things because of how my brain works (someone on the internet is wrong!), and I dearly love having a place of discussion where the must-fact-check-this portion of my brain can be a little quieter.

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