• Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..

    From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 05:57:00 2023
    Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    With Audible, you can cancel your subscription and still
    listen to purchased content.

    News to me. So, the app doesn't call the mothership to
    authorize play?

    It probably does. You still need an account to play the media, but no subscription needed to access previously purchased content. I get
    a subscription when they offer a promotion, then cancel shortly
    afterwards and still can access content.

    You can also buy content for a price, if I'm not mistaken.

    I think the term is a la carte. Libro.fm has that too.

    But it I recall, if you cancel Audible, you loose your points.

    Conversely with Libro.fm, if you suspend your service (to avoid
    getting auto-billed on the membership) you still retain those
    points when you resume the membership.

    That's handy.




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 09:44:44 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Thu Mar 02 2023 07:39 pm

    FLAC is wonderful. I don't think it can be DRMed.

    I experimented in producing CDs with FLAC originals after
    converting the files to Apple's version, ALAC. The burned CD
    and the original master were indistiguishable, to me.

    That sounds right, as FLAC uses lossless compression.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Fri Mar 3 09:47:45 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Ogg to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Mar 02 2023 08:09 pm

    The industry sure made a big outcry of lost monies when mp3
    emerged. But their industry was NOT overly affected at all.
    Plenty of profits were still being made.

    People often talk about the iPod as revolutionizing portable music, but even before the iPod was released, I remember seeing at least one MP3 player on the market, the Diamond Rio. It was sold in regular retail stores like Best Buy etc.. I remember seeing them at my local Best Buy (actually it may have been Future Shop at the time, before they closed and were replaced by Best Buy).

    I remember reading somewhere that the music industry wanted to halt sales of the Diamond Rio because of worry about ease of listening to downloaded music that wasn't paid for.

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  • From Oldbieone@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Fri Mar 3 13:05:49 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Nightfox to Ogg on Fri Mar 03 2023 09:47 am

    People often talk about the iPod as revolutionizing portable music, but even before the iPod was released, I remember seeing at least one MP3 player on t market, the Diamond Rio. It was sold in regular retail stores like Best Buy

    I had one of these, I think it was a PMP300 if I'm remembering correctly. Abysmally small storage capacity.....

    I remember reading somewhere that the music industry wanted to halt sales of the Diamond Rio because of worry about ease of listening to downloaded music that wasn't paid for.

    The RIAA filed a suit against Diamond, IIRC. Not sure it went anywhere though, but I do recall that the reason floated around in magazines at the time for the low on-board storage capacity was an attempt to "play nice" with the recording industry, even though you could insert an SD for additional storage.

    As it came out of the box, I think you could get maybe 10 tracks on it. I remember having to expand the storage to get it usable as an everyday gizmo. It wasn't long before it replaced the tapes in my car though.
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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Oldbieone on Fri Mar 3 22:09:45 2023
    BY: Oldbieone (21:4/122)

    |11O|09> |10As it came out of the box, I think you could get maybe 10 tracks on it.|07
    |11O|09> |10I remember having to expand the storage to get it usable as an everyday|07
    |11O|09> |10gizmo. It wasn't long before it replaced the tapes in my car though.|07
    I bought a NetMD by Sony, it was better than the Diamond Rio. Best Buy tried to promote Windows XP by saying you can buy a Diamond Rio for like 49.99, but they all never came in the store at the time I ordered Windows XP upgrade for my PC back in 2001.


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  • From Oldbieone@21:4/122 to Matthew Munson on Fri Mar 3 22:43:22 2023
    Re: Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Matthew Munson to Oldbieone on Fri Mar 03 2023 10:09 pm

    I bought a NetMD by Sony, it was better than the Diamond Rio. Best Buy
    tried to promote Windows XP by saying you can buy a Diamond Rio for like 49.99, but they all never came in the store at the time I ordered Windows
    XP upgrade for my PC back in 2001.

    I think you're right on the NetMD coming out in 2000 or 2001, it was definitely later than the Rio, which I got in '99 as we were preparing for the good old Y2K and crunching on crusty COBOL systems.

    Ah...memories!! :)

    There's no doubt the Sony kicked it's a** though!
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Oldbieone on Sat Mar 4 10:07:28 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Oldbieone to Nightfox on Fri Mar 03 2023 01:05 pm

    The RIAA filed a suit against Diamond, IIRC. Not sure it went anywhere though, but I do recall that the reason floated around in magazines at the time for the low on-board storage capacity was an attempt to "play nice" with the recording industry, even though you could insert an SD for additional storage.

    As it came out of the box, I think you could get maybe 10 tracks on it. I remember having to expand the storage to get it usable as an everyday gizmo. It wasn't long before it replaced the tapes in my car though.

    Did it actually have an SD card slot for additional storage? I didn't think SD cards existed at the time. For the time it was released, I imagined it may have used CompactFlash.

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  • From Oldbieone@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Sat Mar 4 12:02:31 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Nightfox to Oldbieone on Sat Mar 04 2023 10:07 am

    0 7
    Did it actually have an SD card slot for additional storage? I didn't think cards existed at the time. For the time it was released, I imagined it may have used CompactFlash.

    You're right, it was a flash card now I think about it. I seem to recall you could only add 32MB according to Diamond but if you got the right brand you could stick a 64MB in there. I'd have to look it up to be sure. I can't believe it was 24 years ago.

    Nothing like nostalgia to make you feel old :(
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Oldbieone on Sun Mar 5 15:27:18 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Oldbieone to Nightfox on Sat Mar 04 2023 12:02 pm

    You're right, it was a flash card now I think about it. I seem to recall you could only add 32MB according to Diamond but if you got the right brand you could stick a 64MB in there. I'd have to look it up to be sure. I can't believe it was 24 years ago.

    Nothing like nostalgia to make you feel old :(

    I know what you mean.. I remember in 1997 (or so) buying my original Voodoo graphics card for my PC, and later a Voodoo 2 and thought it was one of the greatest computer products ever. Any game that supported 3DFX ran so fast with a Voodoo card. And that doeesn't seem like that long ago..

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Nightfox on Sun Mar 5 23:41:47 2023
    I know what you mean.. I remember in 1997 (or so) buying my original Voodoo graphics card for my PC, and later a Voodoo 2 and thought it was one of the greatest computer products ever. Any game that supported
    3DFX ran so fast with a Voodoo card. And that doeesn't seem like that long ago..

    I still love Voodoo cards :) I have two Voodoo 2's in SLI, a couple of Voodoo 3's (but actually they're all in my amigas at the moment) and a 3500 tv card. The games with glide were so much fun.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to esc on Tue Mar 7 08:42:11 2023
    Re: Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: esc to Nightfox on Sun Mar 05 2023 11:41 pm

    I still love Voodoo cards :) I have two Voodoo 2's in SLI, a couple of Voodoo 3's (but actually they're all in my amigas at the moment) and a 3500 tv card. The games with glide were so much fun.

    Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had PCI ports. And I would have thought the Voodoo cards would be too new for Amigas to have drivers for them (unless there are 3rd-party drivers?)

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Nightfox on Wed Mar 8 09:09:22 2023
    Hi Nightfox,

    Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an
    Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had
    PCI ports. And I would have thought the Voodoo cards would be too new
    for Amigas to have drivers for them (unless there are 3rd-party
    drivers?)

    The use of a "Buss Board", is how Amiga's can access "some" pci devices
    that have drivers. There's actually a good range of them.

    http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/bus



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to vorlon on Tue Mar 7 16:49:20 2023
    Re: Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: vorlon to Nightfox on Wed Mar 08 2023 09:09 am

    Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an
    Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had

    The use of a "Buss Board", is how Amiga's can access "some" pci devices that have drivers. There's actually a good range of them.

    http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/bus

    That's interesting.

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Nightfox on Tue Mar 7 21:44:41 2023
    Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in an
    Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas had PCI ports. And I would have thought the Voodoo cards would be too new for Amigas to have drivers for them (unless there are 3rd-party drivers?)

    Yeah, the Amiga's have some 3rd party busboards which can take some (limited) PCI cards. The voodoo 3 is compatible in this case. It's pretty niche and can't do terribly much but I love it for what it _can_ do, hehe

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Nightfox on Thu Mar 9 11:16:27 2023
    Hi Nightfox.

    Interesting, I didn't know any of the Voodoo cards would work in
    an Amiga. I've never owned an Amiga though.. I didn't know Amigas

    The use of a "Buss Board", is how Amiga's can access "some" pci
    devices that have drivers. There's actually a good range of them. http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/bus

    That's interesting.

    Some people think they are the bee's knee's, other's swear at them.
    Personally I've not used any of them. They are mainly used in tower
    setup's, but elbox's mediator4000di will go into desktop/standard case.




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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to esc on Fri Mar 10 12:38:46 2023
    Yeah, the Amiga's have some 3rd party busboards which can take some (limited) PCI cards. The voodoo 3 is compatible in this case. It's
    pretty niche and can't do terribly much but I love it for what it _can_ do, hehe

    I think I saw that WinUAE may have some support to VooDoo emulation, but I'm so far away to understand how to even configure it and consume at OS level that I never truly cared.

    I still find it impossible to configure 060 emulation in UAE properly, so I still am kind of stuck with 040 with 060+ speed that is practically delivered by UAE on modern machines.

    -h1

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to hollowone on Fri Mar 10 20:57:43 2023
    I think I saw that WinUAE may have some support to VooDoo emulation, but I'm so far away to understand how to even configure it and consume at OS level that I never truly cared.

    Yeah, it's doable. The only two main reasons for it are
    1) To configure an OS4.1FE system, or
    2) To set up a CF card to install in a hardware system with a Voodoo 3 card

    If your goal is to use warp3d, you're better off using wazp3d in my opinion (that is if you intend to stay on os3 in winuae).

    I still find it impossible to configure 060 emulation in UAE properly,
    so I still am kind of stuck with 040 with 060+ speed that is practically delivered by UAE on modern machines.

    Turns out there's no real benefit in emulation. The fastest your emulated environment will actually run is at 020 with a bunch of RAM. Funny how all this stuff works lol. Any other CPU actually just adds overhead and no additional benefit.

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  • From Atari8Guy@21:3/171 to Arelor on Mon Mar 20 00:45:08 2023
    Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
    airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of the
    show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication and
    when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Atari8Guy on Mon Mar 20 17:08:26 2023
    Atari8Guy wrote to Arelor <=-

    Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
    airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of
    the show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication
    and when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..

    Yes. Some of the scenes/songs still present in syndication were replaced
    or lost on the original DVD. There has recently been a Shout! Factory DVD release that has a good deal (but not near all!) of the scenes and songs restored.

    An odd bit of trivia regarding that latest DVD set... they used the
    original sources, wherever possible. This lead to a rarely/never before
    seen ending to the episode "The Contest that Nobody Could Win" (or maybe it
    was No One?) being used in place of the ending that almost everyone
    remembers.

    I don't remember the exact story... either they decided to reshoot it, and change the ending, before it ever aired, or they changed it after the
    original broadcast. I believe it was the former. The better-remembered
    ending is my favorite. The original/alternate ending is not as believable.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Atari8Guy on Tue Mar 21 07:44:50 2023
    Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Atari8Guy to Arelor on Mon Mar 20 2023 12:45 am

    Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
    airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of the show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication and
    when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..

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    I would not know. I don't even know what that shows is. For what you say, it is likely.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Atari8Guy on Mon Mar 20 06:55:00 2023
    Atari8Guy wrote to Arelor <=-

    Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original
    airing had an awesome collection of tunes that were very much part of
    the show, but the licensing costs got out of control so in syndication
    and when the boxed set DVD came out it was a bunch of crapola songs..

    "Hold me closer, Tony Danza..."

    I hope some person with time on their hands decides to make a Spotify
    playlist of the best of (original) WKRP background music. It'd be pretty
    good.

    I found a similar playlist on Spotify of all of the songs playing in the background of the movie "High Fidelity". Great listening!




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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Mar 21 18:33:00 2023
    Hello pF!

    I hope some person with time on their hands decides to make a Spotify playlist of the best of (original) WKRP background music. It'd be pretty good.

    https://www.thatericalper.com/2018/03/15/songs-ever-played-
    wkrp-cincinnati/

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ 14x1AnN8KV1MH3RYlnKR6FgOFuZ_-Qm-OUvuZo8G38kE/
    htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Thu Mar 23 14:40:02 2023
    Arelor wrote to Atari8Guy <=-

    Is this not also what happened with the TV show WKRP? The original

    I would not know. I don't even know what that shows is. For what you
    say, it is likely.

    WKRP in Cincinnati

    One of the greatest US TV shows ever. It ran from 1978-1982. There was a sequel show that ran from circa 1990-1992. It was better than a lot of
    shows that were on at the time, but was not as good as the first run. It
    can be differentiated by the phrase "The New..." at the beginning of the
    title.


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  • From Phigan@21:3/171 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Mar 24 09:34:28 2023
    I found a similar playlist on Spotify of all of the songs playing in th background of the movie "High Fidelity". Great listening!

    Link plz!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Phigan on Fri Mar 24 12:56:31 2023
    Re: Re: When everything is digital.. this happens..
    By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Mar 24 2023 09:34 am

    I found a similar playlist on Spotify of all of the songs playing in
    th background of the movie "High Fidelity". Great listening!

    Link plz!

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWZ5kgu17cbcC

    Enjoy!
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  • From Phigan@21:3/171 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Mar 31 15:23:42 2023
    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWZ5kgu17cbcC

    Thanks! Will be checking this out as soon as I get on from the other
    machine ;).

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Ogg on Mon Apr 3 16:59:10 2023
    The industry sure made a big outcry of lost monies when mp3
    emerged. But their industry was NOT overly affected at all.
    Plenty of profits were still being made.

    Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell you that the record companies and publishing companies get most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's why so many big bands still tour. It's their only way to make any money.

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  • From Mickey@21:1/159 to Alonzo on Mon Apr 3 19:38:19 2023
    On 03 Apr 2023, Alonzo said the following...

    Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can

    Read an article this morning entitled 'Is there too much music?'

    I have used companies like Tunecore et al in the past to manage some of my songs and havr them distributed on-line for a fee of course. During the Covid years as many as 6000 songs/day were being submitted to them. Somewhere on Spotify (I believe) there is place you can go and listen to many of them, most with not a single stream. It was interesting albiet kinda sad.

    Mickey

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Alonzo on Tue Apr 4 00:18:02 2023
    Yeah, the companies still made a lot of money, but you know who DIDN'T make a lot of money? The artists. The people who actually wrote and performed the music. I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell you that the record companies and publishing companies get most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's why so many big
    bands still tour. It's their only way to make any money.

    Can confirm, am related to one of the corporate suits sucking money out of the talent :( and one of the frontmen for a famous metal band is a good friend of mine, and he has to run a side hustle to make ends meet. It doesn't seem like a super glamorous lifestyle these days :( He was arguing with his label when they tried taking a bigger cut of merchandise, evidently that was the big thing still keeping them afloat. The way he related the industry to me was that labels always screwed talent, but in the post-mp3 world, labels made sure they could survive not by changing things internally, but actually by further screwing over the artists. Sad.

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  • From Bf2K+@21:3/171 to Alonzo on Tue Apr 4 09:00:00 2023
    Th other side of the music coin is this...

    I ahve been playing as a semi-pro musician since 1970 or so... and I make
    he same money ($100/night) that I made in 1970... just playing in bar
    bands doing cover tunes... that is a travesty.

    during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the
    mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not cash.
    I told that mfker that I had been playing in the same band for 30 years..
    I had PLENTY of experience!!! We left without playing a note... hahah he
    was pissed! f' him!

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Bf2K+ on Wed Apr 5 09:42:15 2023
    Hi Bf2K+,

    during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not

    Nothing beats experience, except getting paid for having it!.. *-)



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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Esc on Tue Apr 4 21:06:59 2023
    BY: esc (21:4/173)


    |11e|09> |10The way he related the industry to me was that labels always screwed|07
    |11e|09> |10talent, but in the post-mp3 world, labels made sure they could survive|07
    |11e|09> |10not by changing things internally, but actually by further screwing over|07
    |11e|09> |10the artists. Sad.|07
    Its those 360 deals :(

    I usually try to patronize the merch tent so it can encourage the band to come back to my region of the world or state again.


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  • From Michael Borthwick@21:3/179 to Utopian Galt on Wed Apr 5 17:28:19 2023
    The way he related the industry to me was that labels always screwed talent, but in the post-mp3 world, labels made sure they could survive

    I read an interesting article, for CD sales the two biggest takers were the producer and the distribution network about 30% each. The artist gets a percentage but they have to pay for basically everything else advertising, freebies to raido stations, hire of the studios and the staff, and all the other costs of producing a CD. I believe the take for the artists is around 1-2% of the cost of the CD depending on the artist of course.

    The big money maker for the artist is the live shows and merch at the shows. Depending on the artists they can get 50-60% or more of the ticket sales and all the merch sales.

    Of course if you're not a touring artist then you're kind of screwed.

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Bf2K+ on Wed Apr 5 08:05:54 2023
    during the last paying gig I had back in 2017, the bar owner made the mistake of telling us that we would be playing for "experience" not cash.

    Oh yeah. They're always trying to play this trick. Sometimes they will tell you that your gig is a "audition" and if you pass the audition, you MAY get to play for money sometime. The best thing to do is leave, like you did. Another trick bar owners play is to tell you that before you can get paid, you have to draw in a certain number of people. Then, of course it's all on you to get people to come to the show and then magically you don't seem to draw in enough people to get paid.

    ... If at first you don't succeed, blame your parents!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: The Unmarked Van - 21:1/130 - Mt. Healthy, Ohio (21:1/130)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Alonzo on Tue Apr 18 22:41:00 2023
    Hello Alonzo!

    ** On Monday 03.04.23 - 16:59, Alonzo wrote to Ogg:

    ...I've been a pro musician for half my life and I can tell
    you that the record companies and publishing companies get
    most of your royalties. The artists get very little. That's
    why so many big bands still tour. It's their only way to
    make any money.

    I had the impression that most tours are NOT profit makers.
    There are lighting, multimedia, staging, insurance, roadie
    costs.. etc.

    Ticket systems are another joke/ripoff. They allow large groups
    of tickets to be sold and then those same tickets get scalped
    to desparate fans. The performer doesn't get the benefit of
    the increased prices.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.57
    * Origin: What do you call a musician with problems? A trebled man. (21:4/106.21)