.. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and its
main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.
Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records that
that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPs
and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining
these things.
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPs
and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining
these things.
Atroxi wrote to All <=-
It's been a while since I last posted on this board.
But a few weeks ago, I was able to get a hold of a turntable
and a bunch of LPs for around 60 dollars. The turntable itself
wasn't in the best of shape. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and its
main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.
Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records that
that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPs
and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining
these things.
I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to
ship them out...and am leery of trying to hook up with
someone locally that I don't know to get them. I've
heard too many cases of folks who ended up getting
killed at a meeting to exchange the items.
I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship them
out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally that
I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks who
ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.
Not sure...but I have a whole slew of vinyl LP's that my late Mom
and Dad bought over the years (they were married for just over 54
years, before pancreatic cancer killed him). I also have several
of the Clive Cussler books that my Mom had bought.
I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship them out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally that
I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks who
ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.
How about taking the meet-ups to a clearly public place where a
lot of people (and security cameras) are around?
Ogg wrote to Atroxi <=-
Get a new stylus/cartridge, first thing!
Brian Rogers wrote to Atroxi <=-
As for keeping your records in decent shape, store them vertically not horizontally! In time they will warp if you do. Only handle them via
the outer edges and you may use a soft dry cloth to wipe them with.
Keep your stylus fresh! An old stylus may scrape the insides of the grooves and it will lose it's sound quality.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I've heard a story from two people now, suppose it's become apocryphal. College radio station is in the basement of a building. Building
floods, soaking the records. Albums stacked vertically were intact, but the sleeves were ruined. They bought a bunch of blank cardboard sleeves and cleaned the records, and found that the records played better,
because the waterlogged sleeves expanded and straightened out any warp
in the records.
Although, it's possible both storytellers went to the same school...
Ogg wrote to Atroxi <=-
Hello Atroxi!
** On Thursday 15.07.21 - 20:57, Atroxi wrote to All:
.. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and its
main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.
Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records that
that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPs
and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining
these things.
Get a new stylus/cartridge, first thing!
It's much better to just get a needle-cartridge "set" than
trying to muck around fitting just a stylus.
From my experience, a new stylus is recommended after a few
hundred-hours of play.
Enjoy!
Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi <=-
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPs
and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining
these things.
Not sure...but I have a whole slew of vinyl LP's that my late Mom
and Dad bought over the years (they were married for just over 54
years, before pancreatic cancer killed him). I also have several
of the Clive Cussler books that my Mom had bought.
I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship them out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally that
I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks who
ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.
Brian Rogers wrote to Atroxi <=-
Hello Atroxi;
Atroxi wrote to All <=-
It's been a while since I last posted on this board.
But a few weeks ago, I was able to get a hold of a turntable
and a bunch of LPs for around 60 dollars. The turntable itself
wasn't in the best of shape. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and its
main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.
Other than that, it still works nicely. Albeit the records that
that I have are skipping a lot because of that old stylus.
I'm just wondering if there's anyone here who are also into LPs
and maybe I could get some advice on keeping and maintaining
these things.
There's specialty shops around you can find online that may have a good new stylus for you. If I can recall Sansui was an "OK" make back then.
Is it belt driven? You may need a new belt if so. You're better off
with a magnetic drive system.
As for keeping your records in decent shape, store them vertically not horizontally! In time they will warp if you do. Only handle them via
the outer edges and you may use a soft dry cloth to wipe them with.
Keep your stylus fresh! An old stylus may scrape the insides of the grooves and it will lose it's sound quality.
Atroxi wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I think it's a direct drive system. I managed to find the repair manual and the user manual for this specific model and it doesn't seem to have any belts? (I'm not quite sure) I wanted to take a peek inside it but
I'm a bit weary of doing so until I managed to get a new stylus for it.
Thanks for the advice, I'll take note of it!
Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi <=-
I have no use for either of these, but can't afford to ship them out...and am leery of trying to hook up with someone locally that
I don't know to get them. I've heard too many cases of folks who
ended up getting killed at a meeting to exchange the items.
It is quite a bit sketchy. I'm not sure though where you can offload those. It would be nice if you can donate that to someone that would really take care of those media. I wish I'm just local to your area but that's alright.
I hope you're able to find someone who can take care of those things!
Why not find like a church tag sale and try to unload them there. Vinyl
is worth some good $$ and you can donate some to the church where it hopefully will do some good :)
... I have kleptomania but when it gets bad I take something for it.
.. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and its
main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.
I've been looking around and it seems that I can get the
stylus for this model quite easily but the cartridge
assembly might be a tad difficult to get.
Daryl Stout wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Why not find like a church tag sale and try to unload them there. Vinyl
is worth some good $$ and you can donate some to the church where it hopefully will do some good :)
The libraries and most other areas are real picky on what's donated, with the massive surge in COVID-19 cases. Right now in Arkansas, it's those who are NOT vaccinated, and especially those 12 or younger.
Go elsewhere if you wish to see them with someone who can appreciate
them! If they're going to let Covid rule that they can't be sold, they they've already let the virus kill them! Mouse and Elephant thing
here... not to be confused with Moose and Squirrel <G>
Remember: it's not quarantining, it's government's way of sending you
to illegal house arrest!
Vuja De: the feeling that nothing like this has ever happened before.
Brian Rogers wrote to Atroxi <=-
Hello Atroxi;
Atroxi wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I think it's a direct drive system. I managed to find the repair manual and the user manual for this specific model and it doesn't seem to have any belts? (I'm not quite sure) I wanted to take a peek inside it but
I'm a bit weary of doing so until I managed to get a new stylus for it.
Direct drive will give you typically (warping of the record
considering) the cleanest "rumble" from the table itself. Mine are
direct drive as well. They're designed for broadcast quality and also durability for cuing them for remote control start and such.
Thanks for the advice, I'll take note of it!
You're quite welcome. I used to be on the radio back in the day when we used records so I'm pretty familiar with the vinyl and with various turntables. For general home use when you're not cuing up a record for broadcast play any average to above average stylus/cartridge such as
audio technica will do fine. But for broadcast usage I prefer stanton cartridges which is what I use.
Also follow the manufacturer's recommended weights! A properly balanced tonearm will also help prolong the life of your records. One that's weighted too lightly can cause skipping and groove damage from the
skips. One that is too heavy can also eat into the grooves causing loss
of audio quality.
If taken care of, vinyl can be a very long lasting form of enjoyable
sound for your audio pleasures. I have some that are decades in age
that still sound as good as they possibly can.
Enjoy my friend!
Daryl Stout wrote to Atroxi <=-
It is quite a bit sketchy. I'm not sure though where you can offload those. It would be nice if you can donate that to someone that would really take care of those media. I wish I'm just local to your area but that's alright.
I hope you're able to find someone who can take care of those things!
I ran into a gentleman at the Post Office today, who saw the back of
my T-Shirt, noting the Clive Cussler Collectors Society. He said he was
a big fan of his, but not a book collector, per se. I would've loved to have had him take those off my hands.
That's interesting. I grew up during the time that vinyl is already considered `obsolete' technology. As such, I never really gave any thought for how things were done pre-CD and digital formats.
Atroxi wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
That's interesting. I grew up during the time that vinyl is already considered `obsolete' technology. As such, I never really gave any
thought for how things were done pre-CD and digital formats.
Nowadays, setting up a `web radio station' is really simple. But I
assume things
are much more complicated before.
Got it. I'm not quite sure how to do that yet. But I hope I get the
time to get really into it. :-)
It really is. This might just be placebo working its way but listening
to sound produced through a grooved vinylite is an inherently different experience to just loading up an opus or mp3 file in the computer.
Nightfox wrote to Atroxi <=-
CD is a digital format.. Audio on a CD is stored digitally.
Cassette tapes were popular when I was growing up, but CDs had just
come around too, so older formats such as vinyl were the old obsolete thing when I was growing up too. It seems there are people who have always liked vinyl though.
One thing I liked about cassette tapes was that they were easy to
record audio on, compared to vinyl and CD. Even when CD-R discs came
out, I don't recall ever seeing a stereo or anything where you could
put in a CD-R disc, press a record button, and record from a mic or
from the radio. But it was nice to be able to burn onto a CD with a CD burner in a PC.
Do you recall 8-tracks?? Great in theory, horrible in design! One used to see smashed 8-tracks and yards of mylar stretched out along roads like we did plastic bags just a few years ago LOL
Yes they were convenient but then again back then radio was of a better quality product to listen to. Now it's all canned by a computer - which is why I got out of the industry!
Nightfox wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I know of 8-tracks but I've never actually used one. I'm probably too young.. By the time I was growing up, cassette tapes were very common.
I've never even seen an 8-track player in a car in my lifetime, unless perhaps it was an older car.
What do you mean by "canned by a computer"?
Ogg wrote to Atroxi <=-
Hello Atroxi!
** On Saturday 14.08.21 - 12:58, Atroxi wrote to Ogg:
.. It's an old Sansui P-L51 and its
main issue was with its old stylus and a gnawed ground cable.
[...]
I've been looking around and it seems that I can get the
stylus for this model quite easily but the cartridge
assembly might be a tad difficult to get.
And.. I just noticed that the model is a linear-tracking
design. Those always intrigued me. And, it's a direct-drive
machine. Always wanted one of those!
What I primarily subscribe to was the bayonet type mount system
for the cartridge assembly.
My last remain working system is a woodgrain Pioneer PL-A35. I
love the arm/cartridge balancing system. It reminds me of a
steampunk world.
I know of 8-tracks but I've never actually used one. I'm probably
too young.. By the time I was growing up, cassette tapes were very
common. I've never even seen an 8-track player in a car in my
lifetime, unless perhaps it was an older car.
My very first car had one in it and no one knew! I purchased it from my mom and she had it for years and didn't know it was there. It was an AM/8-track player <G> They were convenient but often failed in one way or another.
Nightfox wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
How do you not know that's there, when the car streo is usually right there next to the steering wheel?
Yes they were convenient but then again back then radio
was of a better quality product to listen to. Now it's all
canned by a computer - which is why I got out of the
industry!
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
Did you get out or get thrown out? :/ There was a radical
modernization of the local radio station in my town: Moose FM.
End result, fewer radio hosts were needed. Local programming
was scaled back. Jobs were lost.
I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music and
commercials) at the my university radio station. That was so
much fun. I never had the guts to host my own show, but there
were a handful of hosts that just wanted someone to do the
technical part for them. The turntables were awesome and solid
performers.
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music and
commercials) at the my university radio station. That was so
much fun. I never had the guts to host my own show, but there
were a handful of hosts that just wanted someone to do the
technical part for them. The turntables were awesome and solid
performers.
I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music
and commercials) at the my university radio station. That
was so much fun. I never had the guts to host my own
show, but there were a handful of hosts that just wanted
someone to do the technical part for them. The turntables
were awesome and solid performers.
Today they call that function a "producer".
That's not that easy of a job IF you also have to control
when things start because if someone else is doing the
talking you sometimes aren't quite sure just when to start
the next element. I hated doing that. I prefer to run
everything myself so I know how the flow will be. One
thing I was known for was having a tight board and being
well produced.
Today they call that function a "producer".
I always thought a producer was someone who backed a show with
finances - much like how that term is used in the film
industry.
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I always thought a producer was someone who backed a show with
finances - much like how that term is used in the film
industry. But the term that was on the schedule-board was
"technician".
It went alright. The university radio station had three
studios all "connected" and visible to each other by large
glass windows. I would be in one studio and the host would be
in another. The host of the show would either give me a hand
signal or they give me the key words to listen to before
starting a song or breaking to commercial.
I really enjoyed cueing the tunes on LPs so that the music or
the voice over is just enough before the actual lyrics start.
Then, sometimes it required prepping a taped announcement (I
think they were on 8-track cartridges!)
To qualify being part of the radio club, we were put through a
test that consisted of a mock solo radio show. I did quite
alright by "producing" a music-themed trivia show, but I really
just prefered to manage the equipment and switches and let
someone else do the talking.
I volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sunday mornings
and queue the national anthem. That was a cool job with lots of
switches to flip and dials to turn.
It went alright. The university radio station had three
studios all "connected" and visible to each other by
large glass windows. I would be in one studio and the
host would be in another. The host of the show would
either give me a hand signal or they give me the key
words to listen to before starting a song or breaking to
commercial.
I could never do a show like that. While I realize it may
have been easier for you, I'd still have an issue doing
that.
To qualify being part of the radio club, we were put
through a test that consisted of a mock solo radio show.
[...]
I never minded the announcing. I'm sure it was a pretty
simple test to take.
I volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sunday
mornings and queue the national anthem. That was a cool
job with lots of switches to flip and dials to turn.
I bet! When I was in high school still, I was doing a
sunday morning show and then had to run the weekly god
squad. It was a 500Watt daytime AM that played hot A/C...
borderline CHR. I'd have to fire up the transmitters and
wait a bit for them to be at spec before turning the
switch to the sticks out in back on.
The station had a cat, it was it's mascot of sorts which
was cool. Feeding the cat was part of opening duties. It
was a pretty neutral cat, not mean but not overly
friendly.
I had a brief stint as tech operator (queing up the music
and commercials) at the my university radio station. That
was so much fun. [...]
Everyone I know who has worked in college radio loved it.
I wish my college had a proper station, instead they had
an audiocast on their in-house cable system - as well as a
couple of local cable TV stations that anyone could sign
up for, but they were limited to on-campus viewing.
Cable provided some fun times in the '90s. Cable access
regulations required that cable providers to provide air
time to local talent. In San Francisco Viacom cable had a
full production set with cameras and some basic sets that
you could block time for and do a show to be broadcast on
cable.
A couple of friends of mine had a talk show with a band,
local guests and a "live studio audience" composed of
friends. We'd all go out for dinner and drinks afterwards.
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
It wasn't a problem at all. We could always get the attention
of the other person by sending a message over the headphones.
It was like working as a team. I learned how different hosts
preferred to work. Techs could select a particuilar show to
work on, or a host could try to request a specific person to
work with.
It was fairly simple for the most part. But the tester injected
random "emergencies" or something specific that needed to be
done. One random request required me to queue up a specific commercial/announcement which tested my ability to find it in
the pile of tapes, and even queue it up in an adjoining studio
and control it back in my main studio. And.. I had to play it
within a specific time integrating it into the flow and context
of my own show. I loved the ability to control gear in another
studio, but it required specific jumpering to set that up.
Yes.. I think my campus station was on AM at the time too.
There was a warm up period to reach spec before flipping some
main switches.
No litter box duties?
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Hello Brian Rogers!
** On Tuesday 31.08.21 - 18:33, Brian Rogers wrote to Ogg:
I volunteered to power up the transmitters on Sunday
mornings and queue the national anthem. That was a cool
job with lots of switches to flip and dials to turn.
Yes.. I think my campus station was on AM at the time too.
There was a warm up period to reach spec before flipping some
main switches.
Ed Vance wrote to Ogg <=-
09-04-21 21:19 Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers about Turntables and LPs
Howdy! Ogg and Brian,
Did You need a Commercial Radio License to operate the transmitter?
Did You need a Commercial Radio License to operate the transmitter?
If I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, I might be tempted to buy one and get into collecting records.
I still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones, but I really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better" than CDs or FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of the album art on
those beautiful 12" sleeves. It is a hobby though and more power to you! If you find out how those laser record players work/sound, be sure to let us know. :-)
Re: Turntables and LPs
By: Ogg to Ed Vance on Sat Sep 11 2021 10:18 pm
A while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laser turntable: https://www.elpj.com
It's a record player that uses a laser (rather than a stylus) to read the grooves on the disc. The
advantage would be that since it doesn't make physical contact with the record, it won't wear out the
record. Also, they say the sound should be really good since there shouldn't be any hiss from a stylus
sliding across the record surface. Also, I think this turntable would be a good candidate to be used for
digitizing records.
I've been curious to try one, but they're so expensive. They cost at least $10,000 (which seems a bit
ridiculous to me).. Also, I've read some reviews saying the sound isn't as good as you might think, and
that the laser will also pick up dust and translate it to audio, which isn't really a good thing; so the
record would need to be very clean before being played in this player.
If I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, I might be tempted to buy one and get into collecting
records.
Nightfox
Re: Turntables and LPs
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Sep 14 2021 12:50 pm
I still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones, but I really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better" than CDs or FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of the album art on
Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
I still have all my old records and will (very rarely) buy new ones,
but I really don't listen to them. I don't think they sound "better"
than CDs or FLACs and are so inconvenient. I just love (much) of the
album art on those beautiful 12" sleeves. It is a hobby though and more power to you! If you find out how those laser record players
work/sound, be sure to let us know. :-) --
Another thing I heeard not too long ago, that I didn't
really think much about before, is that the inner grooves
of a record isn't as able to reproduce high frequencies as
well as the outer grooves. Since records turn at a
constant speed, there's less and less area as the groove
gets toward the center, which means less surface available
to record audio information.
A while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laser
turntable: https://www.elpj.com
It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity
standpoint. But in reality it kinda missed the point of
Vinyl 8-)
A good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)
A while ago, I saw something online about this ELP laser
turntable: https://www.elpj.com
It's a record player that uses a laser (rather than a
stylus) to read the grooves on the disc. The advantage
would be that since it doesn't make physical contact with
the record, it won't wear out the record. [...]
Also, they say the sound should be really good since there
shouldn't be any hiss from a stylus sliding across the
record surface. Also, I think this turntable would be a
good candidate to be used for digitizing records.
I've been curious to try one, but they're so expensive.
They cost at least $10,000 (which seems a bit ridiculous to
me)..
Also, I've read some reviews saying the sound isn't
as good as you might think, and that the laser will also
pick up dust and translate it to audio, which isn't really
a good thing; so the record would need to be very clean
before being played in this player.
If I could find a laser turntable like that for cheap, I
might be tempted to buy one and get into collecting
records.
I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a few
years ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemed
moot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of time
to handle every record manually, and adding all the meta data /
tags labelling on all the recordings properly, plus the cost of
additional storage, plus a decent backup regiment.
theme) and hasn't been cleaned up properly. How long has this
laser turntable been around? I had no idea that this was
getting explored back in the 80s. "The first working model,
It is interesting to read that the specs indicate "black vinyl"
only. I guess that leaves out the fancy LPs in alternate
colours - for now.
I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a few
years ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemed
moot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of time
to handle every record manually, and adding all the meta data /
tags labelling on all the recordings properly, plus the cost of additional storage, plus a decent backup regiment.
The 1st generation CD players did a horrible job with CDs when
they first came out.
No need to buy the laser turntable just yet. Audition one if/
when you get a chance. The cost of LPs is crazy at $20+
Further into the wiki article above: "A similar technology is
to scan or photograph the grooves of the record, and then
reconstruct the sound from the modulation of the groove
revealed by the image." ..now THAT sounds like an interesting
(obvious) approach too.
It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.
But in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)
Geo wrote to Nightfox <=-
It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.
But in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)
A good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)
A good clean, Anti Static 180g LP is pretty darn quiet. 8-)
I concur. A good quality vinyl on a fine system (decent needle
and cartridge) is a pleasure to witness.
It would certainly be interesting to hear from a curiosity standpoint.
But in reality it kinda missed the point of Vinyl 8-)
How does the laser turntable miss the point of vinyl?
Nightfox
Another thing I heeard not too long ago, that I didn't
really think much about before, is that the inner grooves
of a record isn't as able to reproduce high frequencies as
well as the outer grooves. Since records turn at a
constant speed, there's less and less area as the groove
gets toward the center, which means less surface available
to record audio information.
I've never heard of that. I've heard a lot of issues about
recordings from audiophiles and some audio engineers, but not
the thing about high-frequencies vs area wrt to inner grooves.
Vinyl (on a prestine system) has always sounded better for me
compared to the early CDs pressings that came out in the 80s.
laser turntable been around? I had no idea that this was
getting explored back in the 80s.[...]
I don't know how long this has been around. I think I
first came across that laser turntable maybe 8 years ago..
Interesting if it was being explored in the 80s. I'd think
the price would be less than it is if that were the case.
I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a few
years ago, but when Spotify came along, [...]
The advantage is it's your own copy of the music. I don't
like to rely on streaming services all the time..
Also, storage is cheap. I'd probably prefer to have a CD
version though. I ripped my whole CD collection in 2009,
and I sometimes still buy music on CD and rip it on my PC.
The 1st generation CD players did a horrible job with CDs
when they first came out.
I imagine that may be why some people think vinyl sounds
better.
No need to buy the laser turntable just yet. Audition one
if/when you get a chance. The cost of LPs is crazy at
$20+
I'm not sure where I'd be able to borrow one. I haven't
seen any in my area.
Further into the wiki article above: "A similar technology is
to scan or photograph the grooves of the record, and then
reconstruct the sound [...]
I've heard of that being done too. I think it would be
interesting to have a music collection in the form of
photos (as PNGs or JPGs) rather than audio files. I wonder
if you could even save some drive space that way.. I
wonder if a photo of a vinyl album would be smaller than
individual FLAC or MP3 files for the same album.
I was positioning myself to digitize my LP collection a few
years ago, but when Spotify came along, the whole idea seemed
moot. A Spotify subscription is far less than the cost of time
I don't think a streaming subscription is a substitute of
having your own copy. My father used to brag of some films
he had available at Amazon Prime for so cheap, until they
took those down of the platform.
I have taken the time to digitize my VHS or otherwise
obtain quality digital copies of my multimedia because of
that reason. You cannot count things to be available on the
Internet forever, even in the Pirate underdarks.
laser turntable been around? I had no idea that this was
getting explored back in the 80s.[...]
According to the article the first models were about $35K.
Now, they are $10K; that's a pretty good reduction! LOL
What's the point of recording and filing the tracks of an LP
when I can get exactly the same thing from Spotify in download
mode?
I imagine that may be why some people think vinyl sounds
better.
That's part of it. The early products had a two-fold problem:
the DACs in earlier models were poor, and the mastering of CDs
was not well done.
This article is a good read and explains some issues that even
persist to this day:
http://www.audiodrom.net/en/as-we-see-it-tips-thoughts/65-road-
to-hell
I've heard of that being done too. I think it would be
interesting to have a music collection in the form of
photos (as PNGs or JPGs) rather than audio files. I wonder
if you could even save some drive space that way.. I
wonder if a photo of a vinyl album would be smaller than
individual FLAC or MP3 files for the same album.
I wonder about the data-sizes with the photo approach too.
The key here is to extract the data established by the vinyl
grooves and store it in digital format for repeat listens. But
the designers of those players aren't thinking of that for the
player; they are wanting to replicate the real-time play of the
vinyl, at each and every play.
Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have a
DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS player so
that I could record the content of the VHS onto the HDD and
then burn the file to DVD. But some commercial VHS movie tapes
output a scramble signal and can't be copied that way.
Last but not least, the quality of the preamp which is the final link in the audio chain. A better preamp typically will have better audio.
Re: Turntables and LPs
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Sep 15 2021 11:58 pm
Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have a
DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS player so
that I could record the content of the VHS onto the HDD and
then burn the file to DVD. But some commercial VHS movie tapes
output a scramble signal and can't be copied that way.
If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy the DVDs or blu-ra if available. They usually do a process so that the image takes advantage o the mediums' higher resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then you'r still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the VHS tape.
Nightfox
I don't disagree about the preamp, but the actual "final link" in the audio chain is your eardrums. And mine haven't aged well. [...]
Oh, and just before your eardrums comes the speakers. :-)
Digital Man wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I don't disagree about the preamp, but the actual "final link" in the audio chain is your eardrums. And mine haven't aged well. Decades of playing drums in loud rock bands and shooting big guns, sometimes
without hearing protection, has had its toll. But I can still hear the difference between good and high fidelity, just not nearly as
pronounced as when I was much younger.
Oh, and just before your eardrums comes the speakers. :-)
If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy
the DVDs or blu-ra if available. They usually do a process
so that the image takes advantage o the mediums' higher
resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then you'r
still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the
VHS tape.
I agree that getting a recent digital copy that has been
properly transefer is optimal, but from my end, I encounter
two issues:
1) I am not buying a film I already own, even if for
upgrading from a format to another.
2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including
deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for a
good reason.
Makes sense to put VHS onto a newer medium anyway. I have
a DVR recorder that can faciliate the output of a VHS
player [...]
If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy
the DVDs or blu-rays if available. They usually do a
process so that the image takes advantage of the mediums'
higher resolution. If you record VHS onto DVD etc., then
you're still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image
from the VHS tape.
I guess it just different not necessarily better. Its all
in the Mastering I rekon. 8-)
I'm the owner of a few thousand CDs since the advent of the CD
player. In time I discovered a common denominator among the
best sounding CDs - the best are mastered by Bob Clearmountain
or Bob Ludwig, or Bernie Grundman. This information was easily
noted on physical CDs but not so much now from streaming
sources. That's sad because anything by those guys no matter
what the genre - was/is great music.
2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including
deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for a
good reason.
You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of old
VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"
as a special feature which could be ignored.
Ogg wrote to Geo <=-
I guess it just different not necessarily better. Its all
in the Mastering I rekon. 8-)
OMG, is it ever!
Re: If replacing VHS copies...
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Sep 17 2021 09:31 pm
2) Many times, they botch the transfers by including
deleted scenes that were excluded from the original for a
good reason.
You mean "extended Director's cuts"? The DVD versions of old
VHS films that I've encountered have had the "deleted scenes"
as a special feature which could be ignored.
Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes
Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish v longer available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by than the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.
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Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.
Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.
Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available for the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by different voice actors than the rest of the movie and it sucks sucks sucks.
Re: If replacing VHS copies...
By: Arelor to Ogg on Sat Sep 18 2021 11:33 am
Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip the added scenes.
Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often times, the Spanis voice actors are no longer available for the voiceovers, so the additiona scenes get dubbed by different voice actors than the rest of the movie an it sucks sucks sucks.
they always mess with the releases. i've seen a movie and then seen it late on dvd and it's missing a scene or it has added scenes. i havent seen it in while, but it happens. when i've seen it, i have no idea why they do it. it doesnt contribute anything.
You mean "extended Director's cuts"? [...]
Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip
the added scenes.
Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often
times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available for
the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by
different voice actors than the rest of the movie and it
sucks sucks sucks.
Hello Arelor!
** On Saturday 18.09.21 - 11:33, Arelor wrote to Ogg:
You mean "extended Director's cuts"? [...]
Yes, but often the DVD does nto give you the option to skip
the added scenes.
Having no option sounds brutal.
Thsi is specially bad in SPanish releases because often
times, the Spanish voice actors are no longer available for
the voiceovers, so the additional scenes get dubbed by
different voice actors than the rest of the movie and it
sucks sucks sucks.
Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? I thought that
your command of the English language was pretty good - or, does
that just apply to the written English?
I've found that often times, a DVD (or blu-ray) movie offers you a choice to watch the theatrical release or the extended release(s). Sometimes both versions are on the same disc and there's a menu option, and other times, there are multiple discs with the different versions of the movie. And other times, the deleted scenes are a special feature rather than being added back into the movie.
Do you *have* to watch the Spanish versions? [...]
I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:
I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need
to watch it in Spanish, so watching it in English is not an
option.
Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to original
voices [...]
Then there are Australian films and the like, which are not
in English, no matter the falsehoods they spread.
Australian is to English what Mexican is to Spanish!
OGG wrote to ARELOR <=-
But my point is that I *do* have my own originals. It just
doesn't make sense to go through the time and effort to make
copies when I can get them from Spotify.
Should the day arrive when a certain recording would nolonger
be available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* I could dig out
my original and make a copy of that.
Many times, the Spanish dubbing is supperior to original
voices [...]
Now *that* I did not expect to hear.
Nightfox wrote to Ogg <=-
If replacing VHS copies, I think it can make sense to buy the DVDs or blu-rays if available. They usually do a process so that the image
takes advantage of the mediums' higher resolution. If you record VHS
onto DVD etc., then you're still really only getting a 480p(?) quality image from the VHS tape.
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
I often watch the films in English, but here is the catch:
I often watch DVDs with family or friends, and those need to watch it
in Spanish, so watching it in English is not an option.
I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast in 480p, they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some color correction in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are apparently getting remastered, and the widescreen shots look pretty good.
I find it interesting that with some TV shows that broadcast inStar Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the image in 4:3
480p, they're able to remaster wide-screen editions and do some
color correction in the process. Star Trek: TNG and DS9 are
apparently getting remastered, and the widescreen shots look pretty
good.
I find it interesting that with some TV shows that [...]
Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and [...]
What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????
-+-
Star Trek: TNG was already remastered, for blu-ray, and the entire
show was released on blu-ray from 2012 to 2015. And they kept the
image in 4:3
What does ANY of this have to do with Turntables and LP's???????
This whole thing actually reminds me that I really need to
find the time to hook up my USB turntable and start
getting my records all converted to digital while they are
still playable. -+-
Ogg wrote to Lupine Furmen <=-
And there can be some great rewards after that. Some CD or
streaming versions are not like the original LP releases.
One of the tracks on, Chris de Burgh's Spanish Train and Other
Stories LP features a longer ending and a special effect near
the end. That ending is not found on alternate media.
Should the day arrive when a certain recording would
nolonger be available on Spotify.. no problem - *then* I
could dig out my original and make a copy of that.
Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (that
was a single release) is available everywhere, but the
album? Nope!
Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes and
you're THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get it
transferred over... :-)
I've found over the years that almost everything involved
with a conventional record can affect the sound quality
[...]
[...] Then you have stylus and cartridge... both of which
lose tone with age.
Last but not least, the quality of the preamp which is the
final link in the audio chain. A better preamp typically
will have better audio. [...]
Ogg wrote to Brian Rogers <=-
I thought it was just the stylus that would wear out. But
because of the cost, it's just as easy to get a whole new
cartrige+stylus combined.
I've been pretty happy with generic consumer hi-fi AM/FM/
Receiver amp combos. I'm impressed with people's systems that
have dedicated amps for just for LP/CD use, but my listening
spaces have been relatively small over the years (mostly
apartments) so the difference in sound with a audiophile
quality amp vs a receiver would not be much.
OGG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Statler Brothers - Maple Street Memories - the SONG (that
was a single release) is available everywhere, but the
album? Nope!
Side A is something you can put on and close your eyes and
you're THERE. I have it, still, and one day will get it
transferred over... :-)
Interesting. One song, available. But not the rest of the
album.
Who knows what barganing goes on in arranging the licensing.
A few CD copies for sale on discogs, but they're not cheap!
Meanwhile, all the tunes are obtainable to purchase as MP3s.
I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25
Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly on
Spotify) ..but by the time I went to give it a shot, it was
nolonger available to stream.
Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.
I'm currently listening while typing this reply and cooking
supper. :-)
... I don't have time to wait for instant gratification.
https://mozaart.com/en/r/maple-street-memories-the-
statler-brothers
I really wanted to audition the Vollenweider and Friends: 25
Years Live 1982-2007 recording (it was listed briefly..
Same story.. streaming not available, but MP3 purchase, is.
Might check the site I link above? I did a search but didn't
find it...
And where are the MP3's available for Maple Street Memories? I
WILL be adding that to my collection!!!
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